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> avoid refined sugar and fats that are solid at room temperature. This leaves, what, protein and starch? And cooking oil, I suppose, but all forms of meat con

> avoid refined sugar and fats that are solid at room temperature. This leaves, what, protein and starch? And cooking oil, I suppose, but all forms of meat contain solid fats.

ansible 5y ago
Some oils like rapeseed (canola) aren't that good for you either.
- fermentation 5y ago
  And coconut oil, which contains quite a bit of saturated fat. Edit: apparently coconut oil is supposed to be solid at room temp. I should get an air conditioner
- void_mint 5y ago
  These articles always bring up a lot of comments that use the phrase "good for you" or "healthy", but in my experience most of the time a person saying "___ is good for you", they pretty much never quantify how or why. Can you explain, in what capacity oils aren't "good for you" ?
  - shaicoleman 5y ago
    I think the best talk of the health dangers of seed oils is in the following video: Dr. Chris Knobbe - 'Diseases of Civilization: Are Seed Oil Excesses the Unifying Mechanism?' [1] If you're short on time, you can skip directly to the trials data section [2] 1. https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM 2. https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM?t=2020 https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM?t=2020
    - void_mint 5y ago
      > in rats So we're deriving that an entire class of foods aren't "good for you", because of a specific outcome in a study conducted on rats? edit Also, the effect produced on the rats was weight gain. Is all weight gain bad? Oils aren't "good for you" because "weight gain"? So, if a person's goal was to gain weight, would oils be "good for them"? And if yes, isn't this just way too broad a statement ("oils aren't good for you") to have any value?
      - shaicoleman 5y ago
        Indeed, not all animal trials are valid in humans, and your skepticism is warranted. In the rest of the video he discusses how it affects human health, along with the data to support that assertion. It's seed/vegetable and hydrogenated oils that are bad for you and are correlated with obesity, heart disease, diabetes and cancer. Coconut oil, olive oil and butter are fine.
ivankolev 5y ago
The dose makes the poison. Everything in excess is detrimental.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  except excess, excess in low dose is still detrimental ?
throwaway34241 5y ago
Well, there's a bit more variety there than cooking oil - I think the "healthy fat" category usually includes nuts, avocados, olive oil, salmon, etc. I don't think chicken (including the skin) is supposed to be bad either. [1] From my understanding of the available evidence, these fats are supposed to be more healthy than other animal fats / butter (saturated fat). [2] Whether saturated fats are bad or not depends on what you compare them to - they seem less healthy than say, olive oil, but might win out over refined carbs. And the most clearly bad one is trans fat which has the strongest evidence against it. [1] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/06/21/ask-the-expert-healthy-fats/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/06/21/ask-... [2] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...
basch 5y ago
>refined sugar I wouldn't personally consider rolled oats, rolled barley, or rolled rye to be refined sugars, nor are they quite in the white rice, potato, corn, flour starch category, despite flattening a "grass seed/fruit" being a type of "processing." Furthermore, oversimplifying food advice tends to leave out conversation of how food breaks down. The main ways are time, grinding, heat, fermentation. Fermentation gets a bit of an asterisk at the end of hard rules lists. They may say no dairy but then exempt fermented dairy. Lactofermentation of oats will be less starchy than uncooked oats.

> avoid refined sugar and fats that are solid at room temperature. This leaves, what, protein and starch? And cooking oil, I suppose, but all forms of meat contain solid fats.

ansible 5y ago

Some oils like rapeseed (canola) aren't that good for you either.

fermentation 5y ago
And coconut oil, which contains quite a bit of saturated fat. Edit: apparently coconut oil is supposed to be solid at room temp. I should get an air conditioner
void_mint 5y ago
These articles always bring up a lot of comments that use the phrase "good for you" or "healthy", but in my experience most of the time a person saying "___ is good for you", they pretty much never quantify how or why. Can you explain, in what capacity oils aren't "good for you" ?
- shaicoleman 5y ago
  I think the best talk of the health dangers of seed oils is in the following video: Dr. Chris Knobbe - 'Diseases of Civilization: Are Seed Oil Excesses the Unifying Mechanism?' [1] If you're short on time, you can skip directly to the trials data section [2] 1. https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM 2. https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM?t=2020 https://youtu.be/7kGnfXXIKZM?t=2020
  - void_mint 5y ago
    > in rats So we're deriving that an entire class of foods aren't "good for you", because of a specific outcome in a study conducted on rats? edit Also, the effect produced on the rats was weight gain. Is all weight gain bad? Oils aren't "good for you" because "weight gain"? So, if a person's goal was to gain weight, would oils be "good for them"? And if yes, isn't this just way too broad a statement ("oils aren't good for you") to have any value?
    - shaicoleman 5y ago
      Indeed, not all animal trials are valid in humans, and your skepticism is warranted. In the rest of the video he discusses how it affects human health, along with the data to support that assertion. It's seed/vegetable and hydrogenated oils that are bad for you and are correlated with obesity, heart disease, diabetes and cancer. Coconut oil, olive oil and butter are fine.

ivankolev 5y ago

The dose makes the poison. Everything in excess is detrimental.

agumonkey 5y ago
except excess, excess in low dose is still detrimental ?

throwaway34241 5y ago

Well, there's a bit more variety there than cooking oil - I think the "healthy fat" category usually includes nuts, avocados, olive oil, salmon, etc. I don't think chicken (including the skin) is supposed to be bad either. [1] From my understanding of the available evidence, these fats are supposed to be more healthy than other animal fats / butter (saturated fat). [2] Whether saturated fats are bad or not depends on what you compare them to - they seem less healthy than say, olive oil, but might win out over refined carbs. And the most clearly bad one is trans fat which has the strongest evidence against it. [1] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/06/21/ask-the-expert-healthy-fats/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2012/06/21/ask-... [2] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-and-cholesterol https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you...

basch 5y ago

>refined sugar I wouldn't personally consider rolled oats, rolled barley, or rolled rye to be refined sugars, nor are they quite in the white rice, potato, corn, flour starch category, despite flattening a "grass seed/fruit" being a type of "processing." Furthermore, oversimplifying food advice tends to leave out conversation of how food breaks down. The main ways are time, grinding, heat, fermentation. Fermentation gets a bit of an asterisk at the end of hard rules lists. They may say no dairy but then exempt fermented dairy. Lactofermentation of oats will be less starchy than uncooked oats.