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What does "old" matter to whether a game is good or not? And regardless, are you sure you're not expressing ubiquitous consumerism or ageism? ~50 BP - Othello
by failwhaleshark 5y ago
What does "old" matter to whether a game is good or not? And regardless, are you sure you're not expressing ubiquitous consumerism or ageism?
~50 BP - Othello
~50 BP - DnD
~60 BP - Risk
~60 BP - Diplomacy
~70 BP - Stratego
~100 BP - Contract bridge
~200 BP - Mahjong
~200 BP - Double twelve dominoes
~600 BP - Playing cards
~1300 BP - Chess
~2500 BP - 围棋 (Go)
~5000 BP - Checkers / draughts
~5000 BP - Backgammon
- aflag 5y agoWhat does BP mean in this context?
- cableshaft 5y agoThere's a lot of obsession with 'new games are better' amongst modern board gamers that they overlook what's good about the classics and why they are still here today. I admit I was kind of the same way at first, plowing through hundreds of modern games and mostly ignoring older games, but if you take another look at the classics there's some real gems there. A few other excellent games you don't mention are Shogi (500 BP), Cribbage (420 BP), Fanorona (340 BP), Crokinole (150 BP), and Acquire (60 BP). Although IMO, Double 6 dominoes is where it's at, not double 12. "All Fives" Dominoes and Partnership Dominoes are highly underrated amongst modern gamers, imo.
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- neogodless 5y agoOne of my favorite games of social deduction is Skull. I got the $10 version but it's based on a very old Skull & Roses game. The simplicity is deceiving, which you quickly realize as you have to make meaningful, difficult choices about your bluffs and bets.
- cableshaft 5y agoSkull has more going on for it than it seems like it should for its super simple components, but at the same time I only ever seem to play it with 6 players, and the game feels to me like it outstays its welcome after about 20-30 minutes and those 6 player games always seem to take 45 minutes to an hour to play out, at least with the various groups I've played it with. I'm usually pretty bored by the end of it. Coup, while more complicated, is a similar game that never seems to last that long, even with 6 players (usually closer to 10-15 minutes for that).
- neogodless 5y agoSkull, unlike modern European-influenced games, doesn't keep everyone in it until the end. But I think I prefer 4-5 players.
- jlc 5y agoI love domino games. I used to play a lot of two-hand sniff (or muggins -- lots of variants). For me there's something aesthetically pleasing about games that use generic gaming equipment -- dominoes, cards, pawns, etc.
- meowster 5y agoWhat is "BP"? I tried searching the Inernet but couldn't find it.
- AQXt 5y agoBefore Present? (Just guessing)
- beaconstudios 5y agoMy guess is "before present", not sure why you wouldn't use BCE/CE though.
- ysavir 5y agoBP (when properly explained) emphasizes that the important aspect of the timeline is its relativity to the current time.
- mLuby 5y agoSo it saves 2 characters compared to ###y ago but requires an explanation. 2500 BP 2500y ago
- beaconstudios 5y ago
- TchoBeer 5y agoNewer games are made with the knowledge of older games, so theoretically they should be better. I'd argue they are on average, but there's also the survivorship bias in play with very old games that only the good ones are still commonly known and played.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> theoretically they should be better Lol anything newer is theoretically better?
- ryandrake 5y agoYea I did a double take at that one. The software industry laughs uncontrollably at that statement.
- TchoBeer 5y agoNew things are made with the knowledge of old things, and old things aren't. Unless more knowledge about what you're making could lead to a worse product, then newer things will on average be better than older things.
- chrisseaton 5y agoDoes this theory hold in practice when you look around you in the real world? Was the best work of all fields - cinema, art, music, architecture, literature, all from the last year?
- lanstin 5y agoI find the production of bad movies to be such an interesting issue. Lot of money, lots of highly skilled people, long time, it still some how you get really bad results fairly often. It is a lesson in humility for any ambitious endeavor I think.
- mLuby 5y agoYes it does, but not from "last year" because art has to age. The best art from 11700 is leagues better than the best art from 10700, or 5000 (we're in 12021 BTW). Obvious caveat that dark and golden ages interrupt this trend.
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