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The F22 would probably be the one engaging F16s. Regardless if you are dogfighting in an F22 or F35 something else has gone wrong. The stealth planes sneak in a
by wil421 5y ago
The F22 would probably be the one engaging F16s. Regardless if you are dogfighting in an F22 or F35 something else has gone wrong. The stealth planes sneak in and shoot enemy planes from far away.
- belter 5y agoI am afraid they tried that also.The F22 lost against German pilots on the Eurofighter Typhoon: https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/f-22-fighter-loses-79-billion-advantage-in-dogfights-report https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/f-22-fighter-...
- wil421 5y agoThe article hits on my point about dogfighting. I don’t think most US modern planes except the F16 were designed for it. IIRC they weren’t even going to include guns on the F22. > while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat
- gpderetta 5y agoAny scenario in which American F22s would participate in combat action against European Eurofighters is far fetched, dogfighting or not. In fact I would say if such an encounter were ever to happen, due to rule of engagements, a dogfight would be more likely than a BVR engagement (and likely to end without a single shot fired).
- knowaveragejoe 5y ago"Old school dogfighting" is just that - a thing of the past.
- elygre 5y agoThe premise was "consisting exclusively of F-35". you might have wanted F22s, but they are not available in the scenario.
- stouset 5y agoThis is irrelevant. The exercise was dogfighting, a phase which the F-16 would never be able to reach against an F-35 in combat without a multitude of things going wrong. The F-35 can see and shoot down the F-16 with radar-guided missiles in BVR well before the latter is even aware the F-35 is in the area. Dogfighting is minimally relevant to modern air combat for nuclear-armed nations. Things would have to be going extraordinarily badly in a war for the brass to start deciding to send their exceedingly expensive fifth-gen stealth fighters into dogfight coin tosses. Hell, even an A-10 is a surprisingly effective dogfighter against modern fighters. The fighters have speed but the Warthog has an extremely tight turning radius and far better low-speed maneuverability, both of which allow it to stay inside the opponent’s “bubble” (the area inside which a turning jet can’t ever manage to point its nose). If the A-10 can keep it to a one-circle fight it will win handily. A fighter will often have to rely on a “boom and zoom” tactic (where it disengages, gains distance, and turns back around for a guns pass) but that can be quite low probability of kill and still be relatively risky if the A-10 has friendlies in the area feeling it location information. But just like the situation already being discussed, this is for all practical purposes completely irrelevant. A flight of F-16s would engage and destroy a flight of A-10s from miles away with AMRAAMs and it would never have a chance to transition to an up-close dogfight.
- valec 5y ago> The F-35 can see and shoot down the F-16 with radar-guided missiles in BVR well before the latter is even aware the F-35 is in the area. what's stopping the f-16 from turning around and going cold as soon as it hears a lock or senses enemy radar?
- wearywanderer 5y agoThe rules of the wargame, which are invariably rigged for the most expensive toy.
- orestarod 5y agoI believe missiles have a certain range at which, when fired, the kill is ensured. The F35 would not need to fire the missile at the absolute possible range the missile can fly to, but at the range the kill is guaranteed.