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> Germany's BND was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but they found scapegoat: https://ww

> Germany's BND was caught doing basically the same as Portugal, in exchange for some dubious "intelligence collaboration," but they found scapegoat: https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc https://www.dw.com/en/trial-opens-against-german-intelligenc... I was taking your claims somewhat seriously until you massively misrepresented the very case for which you even provide an article. Now I guess all of what you are saying is either massive misrepresentation or plain false. The guy was passing info about German agents to the US, not about foreigners/dissidents, and is facing life in prison for it. Embarrassing to betray your country and job for €1600/month. But it would be pretty odd if the German intelligence had a strategy of passing info about its own agents to the US. I conclude that PT is likely an exception and the rest above probably made up conspiracy theories.

wczekalski 5y ago
The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless
- baybal2 5y ago
  Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-ethnicity-government-and-politics-8117b0084451a0661610cdc114f931b8 https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et... https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-ethnic-polish-leaders-detained-in-belarus-since-march/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth... https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7f19 https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389 The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 Now it became clear for what Poland sold them out for.
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  - xeeeeeeeeeeenu 5y ago
    Nothing in your links supports your claims. The articles don't say anything about the supposed prisoner exchange.
    - baybal2 5y ago
      What do you think they exchanged them for then? Do you think Belarus went, and released Poles out of its good will out of a sudden?
      - bgandrew 5y ago
        it's more likely that the whole story was invented by Belarus KGB in order to justify repressions against politically active citizens.
bsanr2 5y ago
Okay, estaseuropano.
sigmoid10 5y ago
The one about Austria also borders between plain false and gross misrepresentation of reality.
- baybal2 5y ago
  A list of deported dissidents for you: Tamaev Hasan - social activist from Gudermes Malik Tayipov - niece of Gen. Dudayev who was born in Europe, and never been outside of it, on a "terrorism" charge Daniel Mamaev - social activist who lived in Austria for most of his adult life Rasambek Isayev - journalist https://oe1.orf.at/artikel/324664/Tschetschene-abgeschoben-verhaftet https://oe1.orf.at/artikel/324664/Tschetschene-abgeschoben-v... Murad Aslamkhanov - dissident, blogger https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/52168/ https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/52168/ Dozens more
  - sigmoid10 5y ago
    It seems all of those were chechens? At least the ones you linked to were denied asylum seekers, one of them seemingly being convicted for illegal posession of firearms before getting returned. This is due to the anti immigrant stance of the government, it has nothing to do with aiding dictators. No idea who the others are, there is literally zero info on them. By that standard, everyone europe ever sent back to areas like the middle east falls into the same category. This is very different from spying on or handing over your own citizens to these regimes.

wczekalski 5y ago

The one about Poland is false too. Comments like this without sources are useless

baybal2 5y ago
Well, not citizens, but ethnic Poles https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-ethnicity-government-and-politics-8117b0084451a0661610cdc114f931b8 https://apnews.com/article/belarus-europe-poland-race-and-et... https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-ethnic-polish-leaders-detained-in-belarus-since-march/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/05/20/concern-over-four-eth... https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7f19 https://www.ft.com/content/cfc93283-32b9-4fa7-a769-44df294e7... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54090389 The information on betrayed weapon transfer comes from Telegram channels of Belarus opposition I frequent. I, on record, wrote about it 2 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26887403 Now it became clear for what Poland sold them out for.
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- xeeeeeeeeeeenu 5y ago
  Nothing in your links supports your claims. The articles don't say anything about the supposed prisoner exchange.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    What do you think they exchanged them for then? Do you think Belarus went, and released Poles out of its good will out of a sudden?
    - bgandrew 5y ago
      it's more likely that the whole story was invented by Belarus KGB in order to justify repressions against politically active citizens.

bsanr2 5y ago

Okay, estaseuropano.

sigmoid10 5y ago

The one about Austria also borders between plain false and gross misrepresentation of reality.

baybal2 5y ago
A list of deported dissidents for you: Tamaev Hasan - social activist from Gudermes Malik Tayipov - niece of Gen. Dudayev who was born in Europe, and never been outside of it, on a "terrorism" charge Daniel Mamaev - social activist who lived in Austria for most of his adult life Rasambek Isayev - journalist https://oe1.orf.at/artikel/324664/Tschetschene-abgeschoben-verhaftet https://oe1.orf.at/artikel/324664/Tschetschene-abgeschoben-v... Murad Aslamkhanov - dissident, blogger https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/52168/ https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/52168/ Dozens more
- sigmoid10 5y ago
  It seems all of those were chechens? At least the ones you linked to were denied asylum seekers, one of them seemingly being convicted for illegal posession of firearms before getting returned. This is due to the anti immigrant stance of the government, it has nothing to do with aiding dictators. No idea who the others are, there is literally zero info on them. By that standard, everyone europe ever sent back to areas like the middle east falls into the same category. This is very different from spying on or handing over your own citizens to these regimes.