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> You cannot buy hardware like it anywhere else, at any price. Strange, I bought a PC with 2x the specs at the same price as a maxed out Mac…

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
I'm no Mac user but the value of a Mac to its users has more to do with its seamless integration with all other Apple products and services rather than a purely utilitarian perspective in raw specs/performance per dollar. This has no value to me as their pricing is out of my budget and I don't like the idea of being locked into a proprietary ecosystem, which is of course down to everyone's personal preference, but judging by sales numbers, it looks like Apple's ecosystem has gotten some things really on point.
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jakelazaroff 5y ago
You’re sidestepping GP’s point. Does your PC have an equivalent to Apple’s Secure Enclave, for example?
- swiley 5y ago
  Most PCs do at this point, also that secure enclave is very rarely both effective and something empowering the user so it's often ignored outside of very closed systems like Macs and phones.
  - jakelazaroff 5y ago
    Not sure what you’re saying here — most PCs have the hardware but they don’t use it?
    - simonh 5y ago
      Or in some cases implement it so poorly you'd be better off not having it. But hey, let's just check that box anyway.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Reverse perspective: Outside the "Walled Garden", perhaps "Solitary Confinement" isn't seen as all that much of a selling point.
danlugo92 5y ago
And I bought a Mac with 2x the ergonomy and 2x the battery life at the same price as a maxed out Dell ;)
sgt 5y ago
Specs like GHz doesn't really paint the whole picture. In any case, M1 is a whole other story, and Apple went from simply being better to being a decade ahead.
simonh 5y ago
Raw speed isn't everything. They are offering performance per watt, per weight, and per battery life metrics that are unavailable anywhere else. Add in display, camera, security and hardware accelerated machine learning capabilities, and there are many, many axes on which they offer unique capabilities.
kelp 5y ago
I’m not sure what dimensions you are considering 2x the specs, but Mac laptops with an m1 beat any PC laptop on CPU performance, battery life and heat output. Yeah, you can get a PC with more ram, more storage and a bigger GPU.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

I'm no Mac user but the value of a Mac to its users has more to do with its seamless integration with all other Apple products and services rather than a purely utilitarian perspective in raw specs/performance per dollar. This has no value to me as their pricing is out of my budget and I don't like the idea of being locked into a proprietary ecosystem, which is of course down to everyone's personal preference, but judging by sales numbers, it looks like Apple's ecosystem has gotten some things really on point.

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jakelazaroff 5y ago

You’re sidestepping GP’s point. Does your PC have an equivalent to Apple’s Secure Enclave, for example?

swiley 5y ago
Most PCs do at this point, also that secure enclave is very rarely both effective and something empowering the user so it's often ignored outside of very closed systems like Macs and phones.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  Not sure what you’re saying here — most PCs have the hardware but they don’t use it?
  - simonh 5y ago
    Or in some cases implement it so poorly you'd be better off not having it. But hey, let's just check that box anyway.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Reverse perspective: Outside the "Walled Garden", perhaps "Solitary Confinement" isn't seen as all that much of a selling point.

danlugo92 5y ago

And I bought a Mac with 2x the ergonomy and 2x the battery life at the same price as a maxed out Dell ;)

sgt 5y ago

Specs like GHz doesn't really paint the whole picture. In any case, M1 is a whole other story, and Apple went from simply being better to being a decade ahead.

simonh 5y ago

Raw speed isn't everything. They are offering performance per watt, per weight, and per battery life metrics that are unavailable anywhere else. Add in display, camera, security and hardware accelerated machine learning capabilities, and there are many, many axes on which they offer unique capabilities.

kelp 5y ago

I’m not sure what dimensions you are considering 2x the specs, but Mac laptops with an m1 beat any PC laptop on CPU performance, battery life and heat output. Yeah, you can get a PC with more ram, more storage and a bigger GPU.