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Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China

Weird that they would pander to ALL foreign regimes? I understand if Portugal made itself economically dependent on imports from a China for example, and China asked „if Lisbon happed to know any trouble-makers“? But sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why?

belter 5y ago
joaofs explained what happened. It was Lisbon town hall doing this not the Portuguese government. This of course, does not excuse this new level of bureaucratic stupidity.
jdmoreira 5y ago
Pure stupidity. Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence and stupidity
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"Pure stupidity. Never attribute to malice..." Like drunk drivers. They were just stupid and did not mean anything bad. Right? Sorry but if part of the government stuff that creates the rules is that "smart" they should be in janitorial positions. Problem is government nearly always gets away with anything they do.
  - jdmoreira 5y ago
    A municipality is not the government. These are low level bureaucrats.
    - PedroBatista 5y ago
      It's Lisbon, these are high level bureaucrats waiting their turn to go into the Government. Low quality, but high level bureaucrats.
    - SyzygistSix 5y ago
      I would think if I was in this type of position, it would strike me as odd and a very not okay thing to do. Maybe the immersion in that kind of world creates a kind of indifference or inability to think outside of the context of bureaucratic protocols.
      - soco 5y ago
        At one time one guy sent it to some embassy on a whim of the moment, then his follower just took over the habit. Bureaucracy doesn't require much thinking.
victormeriqui 5y ago
It wasn't to anyone that asked, the city hall sent it willingly to any embassy "relevant" to the protest in context I don't think it was a case of pandering to economically important regimes, it was more like disgusting and malicious incompetence, like most things that come out of the public sector in Lisbon with this government
- varjag 5y ago
  People who are born free and live all their lives in free societies sometimes have certain sensibility atrophied. The concept of authoritarian states to them is as far fetched as non carbon-based life.
  - icebraining 5y ago
    I think the problem in Portugal is the opposite; the authoritarian regime was taken down in '74, but entirely too many people still have that mindset, even if they disagree on who should be the authority.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why? If attributed to stupidity, someone got lazy about looking up where protests and their relevant embassies were and so started sending out every protest's every detail to every relevant embassy. If attributed to malice, to hide the fact that they're providing this to Angola and China by providing it to everyone.

belter 5y ago

joaofs explained what happened. It was Lisbon town hall doing this not the Portuguese government. This of course, does not excuse this new level of bureaucratic stupidity.

jdmoreira 5y ago

Pure stupidity. Never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence and stupidity

FpUser 5y ago
>"Pure stupidity. Never attribute to malice..." Like drunk drivers. They were just stupid and did not mean anything bad. Right? Sorry but if part of the government stuff that creates the rules is that "smart" they should be in janitorial positions. Problem is government nearly always gets away with anything they do.
- jdmoreira 5y ago
  A municipality is not the government. These are low level bureaucrats.
  - PedroBatista 5y ago
    It's Lisbon, these are high level bureaucrats waiting their turn to go into the Government. Low quality, but high level bureaucrats.
  - SyzygistSix 5y ago
    I would think if I was in this type of position, it would strike me as odd and a very not okay thing to do. Maybe the immersion in that kind of world creates a kind of indifference or inability to think outside of the context of bureaucratic protocols.
    - soco 5y ago
      At one time one guy sent it to some embassy on a whim of the moment, then his follower just took over the habit. Bureaucracy doesn't require much thinking.

victormeriqui 5y ago

It wasn't to anyone that asked, the city hall sent it willingly to any embassy "relevant" to the protest in context I don't think it was a case of pandering to economically important regimes, it was more like disgusting and malicious incompetence, like most things that come out of the public sector in Lisbon with this government

varjag 5y ago
People who are born free and live all their lives in free societies sometimes have certain sensibility atrophied. The concept of authoritarian states to them is as far fetched as non carbon-based life.
- icebraining 5y ago
  I think the problem in Portugal is the opposite; the authoritarian regime was taken down in '74, but entirely too many people still have that mindset, even if they disagree on who should be the authority.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> sending it out to anyone who asked, China, Israel, Russia, probably Arab states… Why? If attributed to stupidity, someone got lazy about looking up where protests and their relevant embassies were and so started sending out every protest's every detail to every relevant embassy. If attributed to malice, to hide the fact that they're providing this to Angola and China by providing it to everyone.