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> For the authorities, “you didn’t give a receipt, so they can’t tax you.” Honest question: is this actually the law, or a tactic of an official seeking a brib

> For the authorities, “you didn’t give a receipt, so they can’t tax you.” Honest question: is this actually the law, or a tactic of an official seeking a bribe?

danmaz74 5y ago
It's the law
choeger 5y ago
There is a very similar situation in Germany. The reason behind this is that you can use older POS systems for tax fraud (I never fully understood the details), which apparently was quite a thing amongst smaller businesses. The tax authorities then demanded a perfect chain of paper records (apparently the paper recipe contains some kind of a reference to earlier transactions). Bizarrely, they actually asked customers to keep these receipts which pretty much no one really did, but it was a public topic for a couple of weeks. German source: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/FAQ/2020-02-18-steuergerechtigkeit-belegpflicht.html#doc0926b642-b4d2-41cb-8fac-90bbf815fcbcbodyText9 https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/FAQ/2020-0...
- developer93 5y ago
  "It uses blockchain" eyeroll
- tacker2000 5y ago
  On old POS systems you can just roll back the transactions and put the cash in your pocket, as if it never happened…
contriban 5y ago
I’m not really familiar with the matter but this year they started requiring immediate reporting from the POS as far as I know. That should tell you how serious they are about receipts in Italy (because there is/was widespread fraud.)
- developer93 5y ago
  This is the same on Germany, maybe it's an EU thing
Someone 5y ago
In Italy, that’s law because there used to be/is (don’t know which is true) a culture where, some/many cafes and restaurants let some/many visitors pay ‘under the table’, dodging VAT taxes. That law requires shipowners to give a receipt and customers to keep it. Customers can be fined if, a few meters outside the shop, a policeman asks them to show their receipt, and the policeman has evidence they bought something or some service (https://www.accountingbolla.com/blog/sales-tax-in-italy-iva https://www.accountingbolla.com/blog/sales-tax-in-italy-iva)
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
  In Poland the tax office clerks just go shopping and if they are not offered a receipt, the store will be heavily fined. The customer is not liable, but the shop is, so pretty much everyone will offer you a receipt immediately.

> For the authorities, “you didn’t give a receipt, so they can’t tax you.” Honest question: is this actually the law, or a tactic of an official seeking a bribe?

danmaz74 5y ago

It's the law

choeger 5y ago

There is a very similar situation in Germany. The reason behind this is that you can use older POS systems for tax fraud (I never fully understood the details), which apparently was quite a thing amongst smaller businesses. The tax authorities then demanded a perfect chain of paper records (apparently the paper recipe contains some kind of a reference to earlier transactions). Bizarrely, they actually asked customers to keep these receipts which pretty much no one really did, but it was a public topic for a couple of weeks. German source: https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/FAQ/2020-02-18-steuergerechtigkeit-belegpflicht.html#doc0926b642-b4d2-41cb-8fac-90bbf815fcbcbodyText9 https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/FAQ/2020-0...

developer93 5y ago
"It uses blockchain" eyeroll
tacker2000 5y ago
On old POS systems you can just roll back the transactions and put the cash in your pocket, as if it never happened…

contriban 5y ago

I’m not really familiar with the matter but this year they started requiring immediate reporting from the POS as far as I know. That should tell you how serious they are about receipts in Italy (because there is/was widespread fraud.)

developer93 5y ago
This is the same on Germany, maybe it's an EU thing

Someone 5y ago

In Italy, that’s law because there used to be/is (don’t know which is true) a culture where, some/many cafes and restaurants let some/many visitors pay ‘under the table’, dodging VAT taxes. That law requires shipowners to give a receipt and customers to keep it. Customers can be fined if, a few meters outside the shop, a policeman asks them to show their receipt, and the policeman has evidence they bought something or some service (https://www.accountingbolla.com/blog/sales-tax-in-italy-iva https://www.accountingbolla.com/blog/sales-tax-in-italy-iva)

isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
In Poland the tax office clerks just go shopping and if they are not offered a receipt, the store will be heavily fined. The customer is not liable, but the shop is, so pretty much everyone will offer you a receipt immediately.