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This is just an impressive level of victim blaming. Swallowed by a whale? Shouldn't have been in the ocean. It's bound to happen.

vmception 5y ago
I can agree that victim blaming isnt useful either in response to a victim, or in hindsight I also agree that there is a level of personal responsibility that can’t be abstracted away to just the perpetrators And finally, sometimes people just get eaten
soheil 5y ago
> Swallowed by a whale? How would you phrase it? "Eaten by a whale?" Is that less victim blame-y? > Shouldn't have been in the ocean. You can swim in the ocean just don't go near where the whales are, it might just help with not becoming a victim of whales' constant eating habit and as a result alleviate the tendency to make greatly exaggerated sarcastic remarks.
- travisjungroth 5y ago
  It’s not the “swallowed” part. It’s the “bound to happen” part. He didn’t even know the whale was around.
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    In the ocean, the whales stick within the designated Whale Zones, marked by vast rings of starfish holding hands (??). When you cross the starfish, as Packard must have, then you’re clearly in the Zone. At that point you have no one to blame but yourself when you get accidentally swallowed.
    - jaclaz 5y ago
      Naah, that is the old way/conception of confinement, in modern, eco-zoo-friendly, countries whales are allowed to roam freely in the ocean, it is the swimmers that must wear high visibility vests with a sign "I am not a snack!" written in whalish.
      - DonHopkins 5y ago
        I think you did a little too much LDS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHxFNFWlZc&ab_channel=mathyou9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHxFNFWlZc&ab_channel=mathy...
  - soheil 5y ago
    June apparently is the whale watching season in Cape Cod [0]. At least I hope from now on after this "freak accident" people pay a bit more attention and don't confuse things that can swallow them whole with harmless little pets they can cuddle and respect nature and the wild life for what they are. A whale in San Diego Seaworld injures several trainers [1]. A whale kills its trainer [2]. [0] https://candleberryinn.com/whale-watching-brewster-ma/ https://candleberryinn.com/whale-watching-brewster-ma/ [1] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-seaworld-san-diego-suspends-shamu-show-after-2010feb24-htmlstory.html https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-seaworld-san-diego... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Brancheau#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Brancheau#Death
    - DonHopkins 5y ago
      I take personal offense. That's freak blaming!
      - soheil 5y ago
        Are you saying you'd get pleasure from being inside the mouth of a whale?
        DonHopkins 5y ago
        Just that Edward Bouverie Pusey was a Jonah-Denier Shamer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah#Scientific_speculation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah#Scientific_speculation >In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, naturalists, interpreting the Jonah story as a historical account, became obsessed with trying to identify the exact species of the fish that swallowed Jonah. In the mid-nineteenth century, Edward Bouverie Pusey, professor of Hebrew at Oxford University, claimed that the Book of Jonah must have been authored by Jonah himself and argued that the fish story must be historically true, or else it would not have been included in the Bible. Pusey attempted to scientifically catalogue the fish, hoping to "shame those who speak of the miracle of Jonah's preservation in the fish as a thing less credible than any of God's other miraculous doings".
failwhaleshark 5y ago
I don't know why everything has to involve a "victim" and "victim-blaming." Swim in an ocean, walk outside, or keep breathing: there's a specific set of risks associated with every type of activity. Ocean risks include drowning, hypothermia, strong currents, ocean-wave injuries, jellyfish, coral scrapes, Portuguese man o' wars, sea urchins, stingrays, sharks, whales, red/green/brown tides, and lightning.

vmception 5y ago

I can agree that victim blaming isnt useful either in response to a victim, or in hindsight I also agree that there is a level of personal responsibility that can’t be abstracted away to just the perpetrators And finally, sometimes people just get eaten

soheil 5y ago

> Swallowed by a whale? How would you phrase it? "Eaten by a whale?" Is that less victim blame-y? > Shouldn't have been in the ocean. You can swim in the ocean just don't go near where the whales are, it might just help with not becoming a victim of whales' constant eating habit and as a result alleviate the tendency to make greatly exaggerated sarcastic remarks.

travisjungroth 5y ago
It’s not the “swallowed” part. It’s the “bound to happen” part. He didn’t even know the whale was around.
- ryantgtg 5y ago
  In the ocean, the whales stick within the designated Whale Zones, marked by vast rings of starfish holding hands (??). When you cross the starfish, as Packard must have, then you’re clearly in the Zone. At that point you have no one to blame but yourself when you get accidentally swallowed.
  - jaclaz 5y ago
    Naah, that is the old way/conception of confinement, in modern, eco-zoo-friendly, countries whales are allowed to roam freely in the ocean, it is the swimmers that must wear high visibility vests with a sign "I am not a snack!" written in whalish.
    - DonHopkins 5y ago
      I think you did a little too much LDS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHxFNFWlZc&ab_channel=mathyou9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgHxFNFWlZc&ab_channel=mathy...
- soheil 5y ago
  June apparently is the whale watching season in Cape Cod [0]. At least I hope from now on after this "freak accident" people pay a bit more attention and don't confuse things that can swallow them whole with harmless little pets they can cuddle and respect nature and the wild life for what they are. A whale in San Diego Seaworld injures several trainers [1]. A whale kills its trainer [2]. [0] https://candleberryinn.com/whale-watching-brewster-ma/ https://candleberryinn.com/whale-watching-brewster-ma/ [1] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-seaworld-san-diego-suspends-shamu-show-after-2010feb24-htmlstory.html https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-seaworld-san-diego... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Brancheau#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn_Brancheau#Death
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    I take personal offense. That's freak blaming!
    - soheil 5y ago
      Are you saying you'd get pleasure from being inside the mouth of a whale?
      - DonHopkins 5y ago
        Just that Edward Bouverie Pusey was a Jonah-Denier Shamer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah#Scientific_speculation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah#Scientific_speculation >In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, naturalists, interpreting the Jonah story as a historical account, became obsessed with trying to identify the exact species of the fish that swallowed Jonah. In the mid-nineteenth century, Edward Bouverie Pusey, professor of Hebrew at Oxford University, claimed that the Book of Jonah must have been authored by Jonah himself and argued that the fish story must be historically true, or else it would not have been included in the Bible. Pusey attempted to scientifically catalogue the fish, hoping to "shame those who speak of the miracle of Jonah's preservation in the fish as a thing less credible than any of God's other miraculous doings".

failwhaleshark 5y ago

I don't know why everything has to involve a "victim" and "victim-blaming." Swim in an ocean, walk outside, or keep breathing: there's a specific set of risks associated with every type of activity. Ocean risks include drowning, hypothermia, strong currents, ocean-wave injuries, jellyfish, coral scrapes, Portuguese man o' wars, sea urchins, stingrays, sharks, whales, red/green/brown tides, and lightning.