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> But the main point stands -- across all 5 boroughs, the vast majority of grocery stores are local chains. I’m not going to do like others and say your main p

> But the main point stands -- across all 5 boroughs, the vast majority of grocery stores are local chains. I’m not going to do like others and say your main point is irrelevant because NYC is unlike the rest of America (although arguably it is an outlier in almost every way), but the fact remains your main point is incorrect, the ‘vast majority’ of grocery stores in NYC are not local chains. I’m not invested in this debate enough to prove it by counting the number of grocery stores in NYC, but I’ve already shown that 5 (if not more) of the top ten grocery store brands in NYC are regional or national chains, so that disproves your “vast majority” claim without further effort in my opinion. YMMV! Edit: even one of the ones you mentioned (Associated) is a regional chain... https://www.asghq.com/ https://www.asghq.com/ Edit2: Foodtown is also a regional chain covering three states per their website. Further, Western Beef even has locations in Florida which stretches even the definition of regional to me!

stephenhuey 5y ago
Those 5 boroughs are pretty unusual compared to a majority of the USA. There are about 5,000 towns in the USA with more than 5,000 people and Wal-Mart has about 5,000 stores with $340 billion in grocery sales. Kroger and Costco both have over $100 billion in annual revenue with over 3,000 stores between them. Wal-Mart has over 40% of grocery stores in the country and these 3 stores together have over 70%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/197621/annual-grocery-store-sales-in-the-us-since-1992/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/197621/annual-grocery-st... https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/a-list-of-the-top-ten-grocery-chains-in-the-united-states/ https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/a-list-of-the-top-ten-...
- crazygringo 5y ago
  Your statistics aren't adding up. There are 38,000+ grocery stores in the US. There are less than 5,000 Wal-Marts. So if Wal-Mart is the largest grocery store, it's still less than 15% market share. Kroger has 2,800, and Costco has a little over 500. The overall picture is clear: the long tail of supermarkets is long, and even the largest grocery chains command only a small percentage of overall market share.
  - stephenhuey 5y ago
    I did not downvote you, but I see why you were confused. I should have clarified, but one of the links said total grocery sales revenue is $750 billion, so that's how I was calculating what fraction of the market Wal-Mart and other stores have. All those tiny grocery stores in dense urban areas account for much smaller slices of the revenue pie.
crazygringo 5y ago
There are 1,100+ grocery stores in NYC. There are only ~16 Whole Foods and 9 Trader Joes. And only one Wegman's. And not even a single "Acme", so I don't know where you got that from. So no, I stand by my claim that the vast majority aren't national chains at all. You haven't "disproven" anything at all -- to the contrary, your list is actually a perfect demonstration of just how tiny of a market share these chains have. And I don't really care about nitpicking between local and regional chains. My whole original point was that there aren't 3 major national companies that control the majority of grocery stores, and therefore it's totally different from Amazon. And that point still stands entirely.
- jsjohnst 5y ago
  > So no, I stand by my claim that the vast majority aren't national chains at all. Shifting goal posts (now it’s “not national chain” vs “everything is local”), dismissing factual information that doesn’t align with your views, yep, all classic signs of “I’m right no matter what” mentality. Have a nice day!

stephenhuey 5y ago

Those 5 boroughs are pretty unusual compared to a majority of the USA. There are about 5,000 towns in the USA with more than 5,000 people and Wal-Mart has about 5,000 stores with $340 billion in grocery sales. Kroger and Costco both have over $100 billion in annual revenue with over 3,000 stores between them. Wal-Mart has over 40% of grocery stores in the country and these 3 stores together have over 70%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/197621/annual-grocery-store-sales-in-the-us-since-1992/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/197621/annual-grocery-st... https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/a-list-of-the-top-ten-grocery-chains-in-the-united-states/ https://www.foodindustry.com/articles/a-list-of-the-top-ten-...

crazygringo 5y ago
Your statistics aren't adding up. There are 38,000+ grocery stores in the US. There are less than 5,000 Wal-Marts. So if Wal-Mart is the largest grocery store, it's still less than 15% market share. Kroger has 2,800, and Costco has a little over 500. The overall picture is clear: the long tail of supermarkets is long, and even the largest grocery chains command only a small percentage of overall market share.
- stephenhuey 5y ago
  I did not downvote you, but I see why you were confused. I should have clarified, but one of the links said total grocery sales revenue is $750 billion, so that's how I was calculating what fraction of the market Wal-Mart and other stores have. All those tiny grocery stores in dense urban areas account for much smaller slices of the revenue pie.

crazygringo 5y ago

There are 1,100+ grocery stores in NYC. There are only ~16 Whole Foods and 9 Trader Joes. And only one Wegman's. And not even a single "Acme", so I don't know where you got that from. So no, I stand by my claim that the vast majority aren't national chains at all. You haven't "disproven" anything at all -- to the contrary, your list is actually a perfect demonstration of just how tiny of a market share these chains have. And I don't really care about nitpicking between local and regional chains. My whole original point was that there aren't 3 major national companies that control the majority of grocery stores, and therefore it's totally different from Amazon. And that point still stands entirely.

jsjohnst 5y ago
> So no, I stand by my claim that the vast majority aren't national chains at all. Shifting goal posts (now it’s “not national chain” vs “everything is local”), dismissing factual information that doesn’t align with your views, yep, all classic signs of “I’m right no matter what” mentality. Have a nice day!