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I have a good friend who is working in HR. She used to be in hiring, now she is in the talent and development stream. We are not in the same company. A few wee

I have a good friend who is working in HR. She used to be in hiring, now she is in the talent and development stream. We are not in the same company. A few weeks ago I was speaking about my impression that my company is forcing women into promotions and positions just for the sake of reaching targets. I said that it felt unfair towards male colleagues. Her reply was something like this: Men had the advantage for thousands of years, now it is OK if they suffer and that women receive the advantage. This will balance it out. I disagreed because the peers that those girls are competing against were not part of the "bad white old man" system. She disagreed and said that some "eye for eye is necassary".

im3w1l 5y ago
I just can't imagine being friends with such a person tbh.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
In theory such companies should end up imploding from valuing genital configuration over talent which is why there's so much pressure on the various levels of government to enshrine this type of behavior into law so all competitors will likewise be as hobbled by it.
- nullifidian 5y ago
  Competitors can already be sued into oblivion with the help of the disparate impact (quota) jurisprudence. That ship has sailed.
cjohnson318 5y ago
In the shale boom of the mid 2000's, Halliburton hired a lot of women engineers right out of college. My understanding (from male colleagues) was that if they had the minimum requirements and had no red flags, then they were rubber stamped. The result was that they were all tough as nails and ran a rig as well as any man. There was literally no difference between them and their male counterparts. As others have observed, capability is uniformly distributed, opportunity is not.
- shard972 5y ago
  Why haven't we seen this play out in programming teams?
- i_am_new_here 5y ago
  > Women, which are tough as nails and run [oil] rigs What desireable women ;) > with _litterally_ no difference to their male ... counterpart. Counterpart... grrr > As others have observed I also use that, to increase credibility, but usually only in very small group settings. > Capability is uniformly distributed Between man and women... wow: No it's not! Are you of Jewish decent? - Sometimes I have this "out of this[my] world encounters" ... someone just trying to play others and then I think: What was that? How could she/he be like that? > Opportunity is not Yeah, at Halliburton it's not. Good that companies that thrive (Halliburton during the shale boom) can do anything they like (hire women) and still thrive... ... maybe a bit less, but who cares?
fighterpilot 5y ago
This is one reason to love being a founder, you don't have to pass through these racist/sexist quotas set by the HR departments of larger companies.

im3w1l 5y ago

I just can't imagine being friends with such a person tbh.

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

In theory such companies should end up imploding from valuing genital configuration over talent which is why there's so much pressure on the various levels of government to enshrine this type of behavior into law so all competitors will likewise be as hobbled by it.

nullifidian 5y ago
Competitors can already be sued into oblivion with the help of the disparate impact (quota) jurisprudence. That ship has sailed.

cjohnson318 5y ago

In the shale boom of the mid 2000's, Halliburton hired a lot of women engineers right out of college. My understanding (from male colleagues) was that if they had the minimum requirements and had no red flags, then they were rubber stamped. The result was that they were all tough as nails and ran a rig as well as any man. There was literally no difference between them and their male counterparts. As others have observed, capability is uniformly distributed, opportunity is not.

shard972 5y ago
Why haven't we seen this play out in programming teams?
i_am_new_here 5y ago
> Women, which are tough as nails and run [oil] rigs What desireable women ;) > with _litterally_ no difference to their male ... counterpart. Counterpart... grrr > As others have observed I also use that, to increase credibility, but usually only in very small group settings. > Capability is uniformly distributed Between man and women... wow: No it's not! Are you of Jewish decent? - Sometimes I have this "out of this[my] world encounters" ... someone just trying to play others and then I think: What was that? How could she/he be like that? > Opportunity is not Yeah, at Halliburton it's not. Good that companies that thrive (Halliburton during the shale boom) can do anything they like (hire women) and still thrive... ... maybe a bit less, but who cares?

fighterpilot 5y ago

This is one reason to love being a founder, you don't have to pass through these racist/sexist quotas set by the HR departments of larger companies.