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Oh please. There's nothing wrong with the way female teachers teach.

by cjohnson318 5y ago

thepasswordis 5y ago
Is that what I said? I said that these young men don't have strong positive male role models.
- cjohnson318 5y ago
  > These guys grew up in a school system of almost entirely women teachers... Implies there's something wrong with the way women teach. If you meant to say, "young men don't have strong positive male role models", something most people would agree with, then you should have said that.
  - shkkmo 5y ago
    > Implies there's something wrong with the way women teach. No, you are uncharitably reading that into the statement.
voldacar 5y ago
I don't think you get it. Young men today grow up almost entirely in female-dominated spaces. That is not normal historically. In fact it would be strange if it didn't lead to any pathologies.
- cjohnson318 5y ago
  > Young men today grow up almost entirely in female-dominated spaces. That's bullshit. In American government, women make up roughly 30% of leadership positions. At work, unless you're a waiter, nurse, primary/secondary school teacher, or in HR, you're surrounded by men, and you only see more and more men the higher up you go. > That is not normal historically. That's asinine bullshit. Historical norms are not a model for current norms. A lot of people have plumbing, electricity, and representative government now, which is not normal historically. What I'm saying is, your appeal to historical norms is arbitrary and thoroughly shit. Y'all are making women out to be devils and they're not. There's a college word for that (I had to look it up) it's called "misogyny". Ain't nothing wrong with women, or having women teachers, or women legislators, or women doctors and lawyers. Jfc, I literally can't believe I have to spell all this out in 2021.
NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
>Teachers 'give higher marks to girls' >When it comes to teachers' marking, the study says there is a consistent pattern of girls' work being "marked up". >Teachers are said to reward "organisational skills, good behaviour and compliance" rather than objectively marking pupils' work. https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672 https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672
- cjohnson318 5y ago
  This study did not study male and female teachers independently, so this does support the claim that female teachers are any different (or worse) than male teachers. Furthermore, it is notoriously difficult to get to causation from correlation. If you'd like to read more about this, check out Judea Pearl's work.

Oh please. There's nothing wrong with the way female teachers teach.

thepasswordis 5y ago

Is that what I said? I said that these young men don't have strong positive male role models.

cjohnson318 5y ago
> These guys grew up in a school system of almost entirely women teachers... Implies there's something wrong with the way women teach. If you meant to say, "young men don't have strong positive male role models", something most people would agree with, then you should have said that.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  > Implies there's something wrong with the way women teach. No, you are uncharitably reading that into the statement.

voldacar 5y ago

I don't think you get it. Young men today grow up almost entirely in female-dominated spaces. That is not normal historically. In fact it would be strange if it didn't lead to any pathologies.

cjohnson318 5y ago
> Young men today grow up almost entirely in female-dominated spaces. That's bullshit. In American government, women make up roughly 30% of leadership positions. At work, unless you're a waiter, nurse, primary/secondary school teacher, or in HR, you're surrounded by men, and you only see more and more men the higher up you go. > That is not normal historically. That's asinine bullshit. Historical norms are not a model for current norms. A lot of people have plumbing, electricity, and representative government now, which is not normal historically. What I'm saying is, your appeal to historical norms is arbitrary and thoroughly shit. Y'all are making women out to be devils and they're not. There's a college word for that (I had to look it up) it's called "misogyny". Ain't nothing wrong with women, or having women teachers, or women legislators, or women doctors and lawyers. Jfc, I literally can't believe I have to spell all this out in 2021.

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago

>Teachers 'give higher marks to girls' >When it comes to teachers' marking, the study says there is a consistent pattern of girls' work being "marked up". >Teachers are said to reward "organisational skills, good behaviour and compliance" rather than objectively marking pupils' work. https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672 https://www.bbc.com/news/education-31751672

cjohnson318 5y ago
This study did not study male and female teachers independently, so this does support the claim that female teachers are any different (or worse) than male teachers. Furthermore, it is notoriously difficult to get to causation from correlation. If you'd like to read more about this, check out Judea Pearl's work.