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I know someone who used to fit that description quite well and then apparently made it out at some point between 35 and 40. Seems like there is always room for

by usrusr 5y ago

I know someone who used to fit that description quite well and then apparently made it out at some point between 35 and 40. Seems like there is always room for a surprise improvement left.

UncleOxidant 5y ago
Yeah, well, maybe. But currently they don't seem to have any motivation which is a prerequisite to improvement. I think their parents should provide that motivation by being a good bit tougher on them. They sometimes try this, but then go soft on them again after not very long.
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- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  If I may be so bold, I would encourage you to have a frank discussion around estate planning with their parents to best insulate them from pain in the future. I would recommend the home be put into a trust, a trustee appointed for the trust after parents’ deaths, and enough investments set aside to cover property taxes and maintenance on the property with investment income until death of the children. What happens to the estate after that is a family discussion. I have seen the results of not doing this. Don’t pass the pain down. You want your children to succeed, but you also don’t want them to suffer needlessly. Being homeless is an incredibly difficult gravity well to escape, more so without appreciable skills. (not an attorney or financial planner, not your attorney or financial planner, please consult one of each, educational purposes only)
  - gowld 5y ago
    Alternatively, donate the estate to nonprofits that work to help people get jobs and learn self-care.
- ihsw 5y ago
  This is the destiny of all men in a world dominated by radical feminist ideology. Both they (your nephews) and the radical feminists in charge (eg: Biden/Harris Administration) look at this situation without blinking and both come to the same conclusion, "if they're employed then they're taking a job away from a woman" and "not a bug, working as intended, won't-fix."
troupe 5y ago
Was there a change in circumstances that prompted the shift you describe?
emerged 5y ago
It’s like drug or alcohol addiction. People can become somewhat “born again” usually after some kind of catastrophe and/or “rock bottom” moment. Parents allowing this from their adult children are akin to addict enablers.
- quickthrowman 5y ago
  Hey, stop doxxing me! Just kidding, but this post accurately describes my 20s and early 30s. I’ve been ‘born again’ twice, once after opiate addiction and once after alcohol. I had an adult parent enabling me throughout as well. Two rock bottom moments, after the first I decided to disregard the advice I was given, and it didn’t take. The second time, I was humbled and did the work by heeding the advice I was given again. Sober house and outpatient after the inpatient stay, getting a job after outpatient, going to meetings for a year, and staying sober. Almost 6 years later, I went from making $10/hr part time to a salaried position making low six figures in total compensation. I have a much healthier relationship with my adult enabler parent and have paid back a substantial amount of the money I guilted them out of over the years. My relationships with family have never been better, I have a great partner, and a job I enjoy. It is possible to escape, but sometimes does require a rock bottom moment. I also spent a considerable amount of time escaping into games and TV shows, there’s a lot of overlap there with drug addiction, escapism, gambling/day trading, etc.
  - aidenn0 5y ago
    > ’ve been ‘born again’ twice, once after opiate addiction and once after alcohol. I had an adult parent enabling me throughout as well As a parent of 4 kids who for various reasons are all at elevated risk for substance abuse, what can I do if/when this happens to one of my kids to not enable them?
    - daddylongstroke 5y ago
      Say "no". Draw very distinct lines and limits and stick to your guns. Don't undermine your partner during disciplining. Don't get divorced.

by usrusr 5y ago

I know someone who used to fit that description quite well and then apparently made it out at some point between 35 and 40. Seems like there is always room for a surprise improvement left.

UncleOxidant 5y ago

Yeah, well, maybe. But currently they don't seem to have any motivation which is a prerequisite to improvement. I think their parents should provide that motivation by being a good bit tougher on them. They sometimes try this, but then go soft on them again after not very long.

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toomuchtodo 5y ago
If I may be so bold, I would encourage you to have a frank discussion around estate planning with their parents to best insulate them from pain in the future. I would recommend the home be put into a trust, a trustee appointed for the trust after parents’ deaths, and enough investments set aside to cover property taxes and maintenance on the property with investment income until death of the children. What happens to the estate after that is a family discussion. I have seen the results of not doing this. Don’t pass the pain down. You want your children to succeed, but you also don’t want them to suffer needlessly. Being homeless is an incredibly difficult gravity well to escape, more so without appreciable skills. (not an attorney or financial planner, not your attorney or financial planner, please consult one of each, educational purposes only)
- gowld 5y ago
  Alternatively, donate the estate to nonprofits that work to help people get jobs and learn self-care.
ihsw 5y ago
This is the destiny of all men in a world dominated by radical feminist ideology. Both they (your nephews) and the radical feminists in charge (eg: Biden/Harris Administration) look at this situation without blinking and both come to the same conclusion, "if they're employed then they're taking a job away from a woman" and "not a bug, working as intended, won't-fix."

troupe 5y ago

Was there a change in circumstances that prompted the shift you describe?

emerged 5y ago

It’s like drug or alcohol addiction. People can become somewhat “born again” usually after some kind of catastrophe and/or “rock bottom” moment. Parents allowing this from their adult children are akin to addict enablers.

quickthrowman 5y ago
Hey, stop doxxing me! Just kidding, but this post accurately describes my 20s and early 30s. I’ve been ‘born again’ twice, once after opiate addiction and once after alcohol. I had an adult parent enabling me throughout as well. Two rock bottom moments, after the first I decided to disregard the advice I was given, and it didn’t take. The second time, I was humbled and did the work by heeding the advice I was given again. Sober house and outpatient after the inpatient stay, getting a job after outpatient, going to meetings for a year, and staying sober. Almost 6 years later, I went from making $10/hr part time to a salaried position making low six figures in total compensation. I have a much healthier relationship with my adult enabler parent and have paid back a substantial amount of the money I guilted them out of over the years. My relationships with family have never been better, I have a great partner, and a job I enjoy. It is possible to escape, but sometimes does require a rock bottom moment. I also spent a considerable amount of time escaping into games and TV shows, there’s a lot of overlap there with drug addiction, escapism, gambling/day trading, etc.
- aidenn0 5y ago
  > ’ve been ‘born again’ twice, once after opiate addiction and once after alcohol. I had an adult parent enabling me throughout as well As a parent of 4 kids who for various reasons are all at elevated risk for substance abuse, what can I do if/when this happens to one of my kids to not enable them?
  - daddylongstroke 5y ago
    Say "no". Draw very distinct lines and limits and stick to your guns. Don't undermine your partner during disciplining. Don't get divorced.