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Surely if that bit of history says anything then this will be successful? Not sure. Lots of people reimplemented lots of stuff for Java, but it turns out Java

by Nitramp 15y ago

Surely if that bit of history says anything then this will be successful? Not sure. Lots of people reimplemented lots of stuff for Java, but it turns out Java was only successful in the sweet spot for it (networked server side language); it never replaced C/C++ in any meaningful way. I expect the same with JavaScript, it will flourish in its niche (in particular as it has a monopoly as the in-browser-language), but it won't replace established languages on their respective home turf.

wisty 15y ago
It did replace C/C++ in a meaningful way. I think there's probably more Java jobs out their than C/C++. Though C/C++ is still much better than Java in a lot of areas, no doubt. You can't write a good looking app, or get write a kernel. Maybe "replace" is a bad word though. Java complimented C/C++, creating a whole new market.
- Nitramp 15y ago
  That's what I mean, Java didn't replace C++, it found its own market. Thus there is little point in porting everything (for appropriate values of everything) to Java (or JavaScript); you aren't gonna need it there.
  - justincormack 15y ago
    Pretty much everything has been ported to Java. Almost no one programming in Java uses native libraries at all. I cant think of libraries that were not ported; the Java ecosystem is now very self comtained relying on innovation within its own community. Essentially Java replaced C++ in most of the enterprise programming market.
- nitrogen 15y ago
  You can't write a good looking app I beg to differ. By using a custom look and feel or rendering your own UI using Java2D, it is entirely possible to make attractive software in Java.
  - nitrogen 15y ago
    Normally I don't comment on meta issues like downvotes, but as someone who writes attractive Java software, could someone please explain why my comment addressing a common misconception is receiving multiple downvotes? I also neglected to mention that people are making attractive apps using Java on Android.

by Nitramp 15y ago

wisty 15y ago

It did replace C/C++ in a meaningful way. I think there's probably more Java jobs out their than C/C++. Though C/C++ is still much better than Java in a lot of areas, no doubt. You can't write a good looking app, or get write a kernel. Maybe "replace" is a bad word though. Java complimented C/C++, creating a whole new market.

Nitramp 15y ago
That's what I mean, Java didn't replace C++, it found its own market. Thus there is little point in porting everything (for appropriate values of everything) to Java (or JavaScript); you aren't gonna need it there.
- justincormack 15y ago
  Pretty much everything has been ported to Java. Almost no one programming in Java uses native libraries at all. I cant think of libraries that were not ported; the Java ecosystem is now very self comtained relying on innovation within its own community. Essentially Java replaced C++ in most of the enterprise programming market.
nitrogen 15y ago
You can't write a good looking app I beg to differ. By using a custom look and feel or rendering your own UI using Java2D, it is entirely possible to make attractive software in Java.
- nitrogen 15y ago
  Normally I don't comment on meta issues like downvotes, but as someone who writes attractive Java software, could someone please explain why my comment addressing a common misconception is receiving multiple downvotes? I also neglected to mention that people are making attractive apps using Java on Android.