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That's funny, they think they'll stop supporting Windows 10 in 4 years, when 16% of Windows computers still run Windows 7. In 2025 I bet there will still be a

That's funny, they think they'll stop supporting Windows 10 in 4 years, when 16% of Windows computers still run Windows 7. In 2025 I bet there will still be almost 10% of all Windows computers running Windows 7

spicybright 5y ago
It'll be XP all over again.
- Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
  Possibly. For those who clung to Windows XP or 7, it was because the alternative was relatively unappealing (Vista, later 8 or 10, respectively). For those who are on Windows 10 because they made a pragmatic choice to keep compatibility with their back catalog of Windows-only software and get the latest security but pay for it in the form of nags, schizophrenic control panels, and forced updates, Windows 11 has an opportunity to take over fast. How? By removing one or more of the above pain points (and others I haven't listed). I'm not that hopeful that MS would reverse course on these user-hostile things, but I guess I am slightly hopeful for a scrap or two could potentially be thrown my way. What if Windows 11 was just Windows a repackaged Windows 10 LTSC 2021? By most rumors, it's more different than WIndows 10 than that, but even if it was only a reboxed SKU that consumers would buy, it would sell like hotcakes.
mcguire 5y ago
When is the cut-off date for getting new machines with Windows 10 preinstalled? Push that out about 5 years to find the real date for when they can start talking about end-of-lifing Windows 10. Actually doing so can probably happen a couple of years later, but they'll still have to support it at a reduced level for a while.
zamadatix 5y ago
"Windows 10" isn't a version in the same way "Windows 7" was, if you haven't upgraded your OS to a new one that still happens to be called "Windows 10" in 18 months you're out of support (barring LTS release, education, or enterprise versions which have their own lifecycles). I.e. just because it says "Windows 10" in the name doesn't mean you're on anything that resembles the original "Windows 10" that launched in 2015. As such I think what is happening here isn't a "please pick to upgrade to the new version of Windows" popup that feels like a special upgrade rather just another thing that will be pushed down via standard windows update automatically to replace the old version of 10 while nobody notices - as has happened since Windows 10 released. Except this time it has more changes than a typical Windows 10 release and likely a marketing update (maybe changing the name to "Windows 11" but I think more likely they are just going to call it "Windows" because of the above changes in the way updates work and Windows 7 and 8 support ending leaving only this version).
nabilhat 5y ago
EOL for Windows 7 meant end of support. It's not like they could force your OS to update whether you liked it or not, and Microsoft was charging money for the update as well. The importance of license revenue has changed; Windows 10 was offered at no cost to existing W7 and W8 users. The ability to control user's computers has changed as well, with forced W10 updates. EOL for Windows 10 can actually mean EOL for any W10 instance that connects to the internet. If you're a W10 user, Microsoft won't have to ask you nicely to update to W11.

spicybright 5y ago

It'll be XP all over again.

Snitch-Thursday 5y ago
Possibly. For those who clung to Windows XP or 7, it was because the alternative was relatively unappealing (Vista, later 8 or 10, respectively). For those who are on Windows 10 because they made a pragmatic choice to keep compatibility with their back catalog of Windows-only software and get the latest security but pay for it in the form of nags, schizophrenic control panels, and forced updates, Windows 11 has an opportunity to take over fast. How? By removing one or more of the above pain points (and others I haven't listed). I'm not that hopeful that MS would reverse course on these user-hostile things, but I guess I am slightly hopeful for a scrap or two could potentially be thrown my way. What if Windows 11 was just Windows a repackaged Windows 10 LTSC 2021? By most rumors, it's more different than WIndows 10 than that, but even if it was only a reboxed SKU that consumers would buy, it would sell like hotcakes.

mcguire 5y ago

When is the cut-off date for getting new machines with Windows 10 preinstalled? Push that out about 5 years to find the real date for when they can start talking about end-of-lifing Windows 10. Actually doing so can probably happen a couple of years later, but they'll still have to support it at a reduced level for a while.

zamadatix 5y ago

"Windows 10" isn't a version in the same way "Windows 7" was, if you haven't upgraded your OS to a new one that still happens to be called "Windows 10" in 18 months you're out of support (barring LTS release, education, or enterprise versions which have their own lifecycles). I.e. just because it says "Windows 10" in the name doesn't mean you're on anything that resembles the original "Windows 10" that launched in 2015. As such I think what is happening here isn't a "please pick to upgrade to the new version of Windows" popup that feels like a special upgrade rather just another thing that will be pushed down via standard windows update automatically to replace the old version of 10 while nobody notices - as has happened since Windows 10 released. Except this time it has more changes than a typical Windows 10 release and likely a marketing update (maybe changing the name to "Windows 11" but I think more likely they are just going to call it "Windows" because of the above changes in the way updates work and Windows 7 and 8 support ending leaving only this version).

nabilhat 5y ago

EOL for Windows 7 meant end of support. It's not like they could force your OS to update whether you liked it or not, and Microsoft was charging money for the update as well. The importance of license revenue has changed; Windows 10 was offered at no cost to existing W7 and W8 users. The ability to control user's computers has changed as well, with forced W10 updates. EOL for Windows 10 can actually mean EOL for any W10 instance that connects to the internet. If you're a W10 user, Microsoft won't have to ask you nicely to update to W11.