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Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be the last Windows version ever? As in it was going to be evergreen? Did I imagine that? Edit: Yeah I didn't imagine it https:/

Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be the last Windows version ever? As in it was going to be evergreen? Did I imagine that? Edit: Yeah I didn't imagine it https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...

eli 5y ago
I think you're thinking of the Edge browser
hughrr 5y ago
Microsoft marketing is totally schizophrenic. Never believe a fucking word of it for a second and your life will be good.
- spicybright 5y ago
  Most marketing is.
  - hughrr 5y ago
    Actually I don’t think it is. Microsoft promise way ahead of time, fail to deliver, reduce scope, kick out a broken half finished product, get the customers to beta test it, change their mind on the direction of the entire organisation in that space and generally leave everyone confused and a bit burned out. This happens every time and has done for the last 20 years. Even the latest reinvention has just increased the frequency of this incompetence. Most marketing at least delivers an 80% product.
    - GiorgioG 5y ago
      You've basically described every software company in history.
      - hughrr 5y ago
        That’s a fair point actually
    - Growling_owl 5y ago
      Microsoft lets you pirate their OS for free, you ungrateful punk. Enjoy dropping 3000$ for an equivalent Apple system. I'm sure you'll find the marketing from Cupertino to be more accurate. Wait, they are the quintessential company built on marketing..
      - hughrr 5y ago
        I use both platforms (and Linux). What’s your point?
        Growling_owl 5y ago
        You can't criticize something that is availible to you for free. It's like stealing a car and complaining that has black interiors vs. white pearl
    - binbag 5y ago
      The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.
      - hughrr 5y ago
        It’s really not. So far this week for me Windows Hello has just totally broken, my thunderbolt dock has decided to no longer recognise the keyboard, I’ve had a problem where the graphics driver just shats itself every hour, the taskbar disappeared and wouldn’t come back and during last weeks update cycle it got stuck and had to roll back to a restore point. Oh and docker for windows completely broke and I still can’t get it to work again with WSL2 I am literally burning hours dealing with this shit on a weekly basis. It’s a flaming shit show and to call this mire childish complaining is nothing short of insulting. ”sorry I’m late for the meeting my laptop is hosed/rebooting/fucked” is a daily occurrence. It’s not good. They need to do a better job considering I pay them money. That’s all I’m asking.
        chomp 5y ago
        Yes and Docker for Mac is terrible, I'm sitting with a quarter of my RAM in kernel_task with no idea what it's doing and my system stutters every few minutes while who knows what pages off of the SSD, I've had MacOS releases get stuck in a half-upgraded state which required a reinstall, I have monitor connectivity problems, and I've had MacOS get stuck at the login prompt. And don't get me started on the issues with Linux desktops, which can hardly even get screensharing to work. My and others' point is that there is no perfect OS. Windows is good, MacOS is good, Linux is "okay", and if you're determining good by the critera "is there zero issues" then you're going to be very sad for the rest of your life.
        hughrr 5y ago
        I use all three platforms on a daily basis and windows is 10x worse than the next contender. As for Docker on the Mac I agree. I don’t use it. I use a Linux VM which is where I’m currently heading on windows at the moment, unpicking all the garbage. The least troubled combination I can suggest is: use macOS on an M1 machine and keep it close to default as possible and do all your dev on a Ubuntu LTS box via SSH. And just avoid windows entirely. Mac makes a good cloud terminal. Linux makes a good cloud server. Windows makes…err no idea.
mixmastamyk 5y ago
Was probably true until macOS "went to 11," a la Spinal Tap.
- mattowen_uk 5y ago
  There you have it: "Windows Stonehenge"
  - juststeve 5y ago
    Windows Odyssey
donio 5y ago
Technically both statements could be true. Doesn't seem likely though.
yuyangchee98 5y ago
My personal theory is that Microsoft probably thought Apple would stay on 10 forever, but with M1 macOS moved to 11. 11 > 10...
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Because I have a very low opinion of most marketing people that seems plausible to me, but Mac and Windows seem to have such wildly different markets that I think it is unlikely.
  - delecti 5y ago
    Seriously. I can't imagine anyone whose decision between a Mac and a Windows PC is a complete dead tie, except for Mac OS being 11 compared to Windows' lowly 10.
    - asddubs 5y ago
      <points at macbook> this one goes to 11
      - type0 5y ago
        Thermally it actually does and the CPU begins to throttle.
      - Gravityloss 5y ago
        The first version of Windows 11 with all out Arm support will be called "Large Surf"
- delta1 5y ago
  “Windows Infinity” done.
  - athenot 5y ago
    To be followed by "Windows Infinity SP2". We joke but these are marketing names intended to make a big deal of a large batch of features. With today's continuous delivery (ie. incremental upgrades) this is no longer needed, at least not for technical reasons. But from a marketing perspective, it provides the opportunity to generate buzz in the news with "OMG best version yet"-style announcements.
NelsonMinar 5y ago
The first paragraph of the linked article discusses this.
sngz 5y ago
that's why you can never trust microsoft. people seem to be starting to forget that.
ludocode 5y ago
I'm guessing they made the decision to make it evergreen too late in the process so they were still selling it over-the-counter as traditional shrink-wrap software. A Windows 10 license purchased directly from Microsoft lasts "forever" and can be transferred to a new computer. They won't make that mistake with the next Windows. I'm sure they will still offer the Home edition bundled with new computers and locked to that hardware. But I would bet money that for the next version of Windows, the Pro edition and any license not locked to a specific motherboard will only be available by monthly subscription. This will allow them to make it truly evergreen because they'll have permanent recurring revenue.
- AstralStorm 5y ago
  At that point, if it costs more than 50 cents monthly I'm not paying. Previous versions of Enterprise costed less than this over their lifetime. Not to mention Professional.
ahahahahah 5y ago
> Edit: Yeah I didn't imagine it Sure. You could have used the posted article itself as your source since that already covered it.
mopsi 5y ago
That was not very believable right from the beginning. Product branding, no matter how good, becomes stale over time and refreshes are inevitable.

eli 5y ago

I think you're thinking of the Edge browser

hughrr 5y ago

Microsoft marketing is totally schizophrenic. Never believe a fucking word of it for a second and your life will be good.

spicybright 5y ago
Most marketing is.
- hughrr 5y ago
  Actually I don’t think it is. Microsoft promise way ahead of time, fail to deliver, reduce scope, kick out a broken half finished product, get the customers to beta test it, change their mind on the direction of the entire organisation in that space and generally leave everyone confused and a bit burned out. This happens every time and has done for the last 20 years. Even the latest reinvention has just increased the frequency of this incompetence. Most marketing at least delivers an 80% product.
  - GiorgioG 5y ago
    You've basically described every software company in history.
    - hughrr 5y ago
      That’s a fair point actually
  - Growling_owl 5y ago
    Microsoft lets you pirate their OS for free, you ungrateful punk. Enjoy dropping 3000$ for an equivalent Apple system. I'm sure you'll find the marketing from Cupertino to be more accurate. Wait, they are the quintessential company built on marketing..
    - hughrr 5y ago
      I use both platforms (and Linux). What’s your point?
      - Growling_owl 5y ago
        You can't criticize something that is availible to you for free. It's like stealing a car and complaining that has black interiors vs. white pearl
  - binbag 5y ago
    The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.
    - hughrr 5y ago
      It’s really not. So far this week for me Windows Hello has just totally broken, my thunderbolt dock has decided to no longer recognise the keyboard, I’ve had a problem where the graphics driver just shats itself every hour, the taskbar disappeared and wouldn’t come back and during last weeks update cycle it got stuck and had to roll back to a restore point. Oh and docker for windows completely broke and I still can’t get it to work again with WSL2 I am literally burning hours dealing with this shit on a weekly basis. It’s a flaming shit show and to call this mire childish complaining is nothing short of insulting. ”sorry I’m late for the meeting my laptop is hosed/rebooting/fucked” is a daily occurrence. It’s not good. They need to do a better job considering I pay them money. That’s all I’m asking.
      - chomp 5y ago
        Yes and Docker for Mac is terrible, I'm sitting with a quarter of my RAM in kernel_task with no idea what it's doing and my system stutters every few minutes while who knows what pages off of the SSD, I've had MacOS releases get stuck in a half-upgraded state which required a reinstall, I have monitor connectivity problems, and I've had MacOS get stuck at the login prompt. And don't get me started on the issues with Linux desktops, which can hardly even get screensharing to work. My and others' point is that there is no perfect OS. Windows is good, MacOS is good, Linux is "okay", and if you're determining good by the critera "is there zero issues" then you're going to be very sad for the rest of your life.
        hughrr 5y ago
        I use all three platforms on a daily basis and windows is 10x worse than the next contender. As for Docker on the Mac I agree. I don’t use it. I use a Linux VM which is where I’m currently heading on windows at the moment, unpicking all the garbage. The least troubled combination I can suggest is: use macOS on an M1 machine and keep it close to default as possible and do all your dev on a Ubuntu LTS box via SSH. And just avoid windows entirely. Mac makes a good cloud terminal. Linux makes a good cloud server. Windows makes…err no idea.

mixmastamyk 5y ago

Was probably true until macOS "went to 11," a la Spinal Tap.

mattowen_uk 5y ago
There you have it: "Windows Stonehenge"
- juststeve 5y ago
  Windows Odyssey

donio 5y ago

Technically both statements could be true. Doesn't seem likely though.

yuyangchee98 5y ago

My personal theory is that Microsoft probably thought Apple would stay on 10 forever, but with M1 macOS moved to 11. 11 > 10...

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Because I have a very low opinion of most marketing people that seems plausible to me, but Mac and Windows seem to have such wildly different markets that I think it is unlikely.
- delecti 5y ago
  Seriously. I can't imagine anyone whose decision between a Mac and a Windows PC is a complete dead tie, except for Mac OS being 11 compared to Windows' lowly 10.
  - asddubs 5y ago
    <points at macbook> this one goes to 11
    - type0 5y ago
      Thermally it actually does and the CPU begins to throttle.
    - Gravityloss 5y ago
      The first version of Windows 11 with all out Arm support will be called "Large Surf"
delta1 5y ago
“Windows Infinity” done.
- athenot 5y ago
  To be followed by "Windows Infinity SP2". We joke but these are marketing names intended to make a big deal of a large batch of features. With today's continuous delivery (ie. incremental upgrades) this is no longer needed, at least not for technical reasons. But from a marketing perspective, it provides the opportunity to generate buzz in the news with "OMG best version yet"-style announcements.

NelsonMinar 5y ago

The first paragraph of the linked article discusses this.

sngz 5y ago

that's why you can never trust microsoft. people seem to be starting to forget that.

ludocode 5y ago

I'm guessing they made the decision to make it evergreen too late in the process so they were still selling it over-the-counter as traditional shrink-wrap software. A Windows 10 license purchased directly from Microsoft lasts "forever" and can be transferred to a new computer. They won't make that mistake with the next Windows. I'm sure they will still offer the Home edition bundled with new computers and locked to that hardware. But I would bet money that for the next version of Windows, the Pro edition and any license not locked to a specific motherboard will only be available by monthly subscription. This will allow them to make it truly evergreen because they'll have permanent recurring revenue.

AstralStorm 5y ago
At that point, if it costs more than 50 cents monthly I'm not paying. Previous versions of Enterprise costed less than this over their lifetime. Not to mention Professional.

ahahahahah 5y ago

> Edit: Yeah I didn't imagine it Sure. You could have used the posted article itself as your source since that already covered it.

mopsi 5y ago

That was not very believable right from the beginning. Product branding, no matter how good, becomes stale over time and refreshes are inevitable.