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I don’t expect consumers to track down fake Ball lids and Apple chargers. I expect Ball and Apple to do that.

• HarryHirsch 5y ago
  In civilized countries you have consumer watchdogs that deal with fraud and unsafe products so the consumer doesn't have to. The point of the law isn't to catch criminals, it's to prevent crime.
  • paulpauper 5y ago
    consumer watchdogs are useless. the only good deterrent against fraud is jail time
  • zo1 5y ago
    The watchdogs can't do anything because the sellers are essentially spam themselves. That is why Amazon has NNN thousand new "stores" opening everyday and why they have a billion variations of the exact same product. There is NO way that any sort of entity outside of Amazon can make heads or tails of that volume of data in order protect the consumer. And Amazon is complicit in this just as much as Aliexpress and all the other platforms that are enabling product spam coming from China.
• rdtwo 5y ago
  I expect amazon to not sell them and to get as sued by Apple and Ball if they do
• spfzero 5y ago
  So it would make sense that Ball and Apple would need to find out who the seller was, from Amazon. Amazon at least knows where to send the checks, and likely a lot more about these businesses. What bothers me about Amazon is that they are actively providing anonymity to enterprises engaged in consumer-hostile activities including fraud, and are resisting efforts to pierce the shield they are providing.