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The Telegram Billionaire and His Dark Empire

18 points by IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago

knz42 5y ago
This is a hit piece. None of the angle taken there is specific to Telegram, it could be applied equally to e-mail.
- captn3m0 5y ago
  Email is decentralized well enough, with the hosting providers both legally liable and visible. Telegram isn't. The e-mail equivalent would be something like Matrix/IRC.
contradict 5y ago
>free speech bad I'm guessing at least one of the three authors of this article is Jewish
- celticninja 5y ago
  Why is their religion an issue? I disagree with their sentiment and that of the article, technology is ambivalent about what it is used for. It is not good or bad. Why does the authors ethnicity or religion have anything to do with this?
  - contradict 5y ago
    Because Jews overwhelmingly push for criminalization of speech so that you cannot criticize them for flooding first world countries with low IQ immigrants
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - RedComet 5y ago
    A little disingenuous of you to call it a religion first and then slyly acknowledge it is an ethno-religious group at the end. And it matters because jewish organizations are the ones leading the charge in practically all censorship going on in western nations currently.
  - dang 5y ago
    "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. Please don't feed the trolls. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - celticninja 5y ago
      Will do, apologies
soneca 5y ago
> ” Telegram, arguably the world’s most dangerous messenger service” The sentence where I stoped reading. This is not a serious article. It’s FUD.
- jeffreyrogers 5y ago
  I agree, but it is interesting because it reveals what many influential people must be thinking about apps like Telegram.
- contradict 5y ago
  These people are so desperate to shut down certain speech. How many articles have there been disparaging Telegram?
comodore_ 5y ago
> Telegram, arguably the world’s most dangerous messenger service. yet again, unfettered conversations, very frighting for traditional media outlets. It's rather telling that spiegel chose this particular topic for its international section just days after the german Bundestag approved further public surveillance measures. With this new law federal police and all 19 intelligence services in Germany will be allowed to hack into suspects' computers and smartphones. And also the Snowden revelations just had their anniversary today. spiegel: crickets
andreskytt 5y ago
So the Russian authorities can and will pretty much get anyone in the country and out but the OMON just left the doorstep of this particular guy? Why might that be?

18 points by IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago

knz42 5y ago

This is a hit piece. None of the angle taken there is specific to Telegram, it could be applied equally to e-mail.

captn3m0 5y ago
Email is decentralized well enough, with the hosting providers both legally liable and visible. Telegram isn't. The e-mail equivalent would be something like Matrix/IRC.

contradict 5y ago

>free speech bad I'm guessing at least one of the three authors of this article is Jewish

celticninja 5y ago
Why is their religion an issue? I disagree with their sentiment and that of the article, technology is ambivalent about what it is used for. It is not good or bad. Why does the authors ethnicity or religion have anything to do with this?
- contradict 5y ago
  Because Jews overwhelmingly push for criminalization of speech so that you cannot criticize them for flooding first world countries with low IQ immigrants
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- RedComet 5y ago
  A little disingenuous of you to call it a religion first and then slyly acknowledge it is an ethno-religious group at the end. And it matters because jewish organizations are the ones leading the charge in practically all censorship going on in western nations currently.
- dang 5y ago
  "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. Please don't feed the trolls. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - celticninja 5y ago
    Will do, apologies

soneca 5y ago

> ” Telegram, arguably the world’s most dangerous messenger service” The sentence where I stoped reading. This is not a serious article. It’s FUD.

jeffreyrogers 5y ago
I agree, but it is interesting because it reveals what many influential people must be thinking about apps like Telegram.
contradict 5y ago
These people are so desperate to shut down certain speech. How many articles have there been disparaging Telegram?

comodore_ 5y ago

> Telegram, arguably the world’s most dangerous messenger service. yet again, unfettered conversations, very frighting for traditional media outlets. It's rather telling that spiegel chose this particular topic for its international section just days after the german Bundestag approved further public surveillance measures. With this new law federal police and all 19 intelligence services in Germany will be allowed to hack into suspects' computers and smartphones. And also the Snowden revelations just had their anniversary today. spiegel: crickets

andreskytt 5y ago

So the Russian authorities can and will pretty much get anyone in the country and out but the OMON just left the doorstep of this particular guy? Why might that be?