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Where is this socialist paradise that you speak of where you can have a home without working? There is nowhere like what you are saying. It is the exact opposi

Where is this socialist paradise that you speak of where you can have a home without working? There is nowhere like what you are saying. It is the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Affordability of essentials has become so much worse that many people can't afford to live a decent life with their own home even if they are working the jobs that they can actually acquire. These people aren't privileged because they "choose not to work and have everything paid for them by people who work like me", it is generally emotionally devastating to be stuck living with your family while your youth evaporates. Further, the money to do this is coming from the family (for those lucky enough to have a family wealthy enough). You're not paying for it with your taxes.

Mediterraneo10 5y ago
> Where is this socialist paradise that you speak of where you can have a home without working? Finland, for example. "Home", of course means a simple flat in a housing block and there might be a waiting list, but housing every single one of its people regardless of employment has been something that the state has sought for a long time.
- ajkdhcb2 5y ago
  I live there and personally know people that are unwell but pushed to work because there are so many requirements, always going to doctors and filling out forms. You can't just say you don't want to work.
kypro 5y ago
> It is the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Affordability of essentials has become so much worse that many people can't afford to live a decent life with their own home even if they are working the jobs that they can actually acquire. Where do you live? Most people I know are literally given homes to live in by the government. Admittedly I'm a working class guy in the UK and I'm not that familiar with the US welfare system so perhaps its quite different there. But for example, my girlfriend's mum has never worked a day in her life but lives in a £600,000 5 bed house. When she went to the job centre last year she was advised not to take part time work because she'd lose out on the benefits. If these people were starving or homeless, don't you think they would get a job? Today we have a generation of people who have parents rich enough to let them live in their homes rent-free without demanding they get a job while the government is there for you if you decide not to. Is it any surprise some people decide a 9-5 isn't for them? To your point though, I do accept it's harder to own your own home, but it's certainly not harder to live without a job today. At least not here in the UK.
- intarga 5y ago
  Something doesn’t add up about that story. I’ve lived in the UK, council housing and unemployment benefits are meagre.
- Apfel 5y ago
  This story is just a lie. As others have said, council houses and benefits in the UK are not a pleasant experience, or easy to get without jumping through means testing hoops constantly

Mediterraneo10 5y ago

> Where is this socialist paradise that you speak of where you can have a home without working? Finland, for example. "Home", of course means a simple flat in a housing block and there might be a waiting list, but housing every single one of its people regardless of employment has been something that the state has sought for a long time.

ajkdhcb2 5y ago
I live there and personally know people that are unwell but pushed to work because there are so many requirements, always going to doctors and filling out forms. You can't just say you don't want to work.

kypro 5y ago

> It is the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Affordability of essentials has become so much worse that many people can't afford to live a decent life with their own home even if they are working the jobs that they can actually acquire. Where do you live? Most people I know are literally given homes to live in by the government. Admittedly I'm a working class guy in the UK and I'm not that familiar with the US welfare system so perhaps its quite different there. But for example, my girlfriend's mum has never worked a day in her life but lives in a £600,000 5 bed house. When she went to the job centre last year she was advised not to take part time work because she'd lose out on the benefits. If these people were starving or homeless, don't you think they would get a job? Today we have a generation of people who have parents rich enough to let them live in their homes rent-free without demanding they get a job while the government is there for you if you decide not to. Is it any surprise some people decide a 9-5 isn't for them? To your point though, I do accept it's harder to own your own home, but it's certainly not harder to live without a job today. At least not here in the UK.

intarga 5y ago
Something doesn’t add up about that story. I’ve lived in the UK, council housing and unemployment benefits are meagre.
Apfel 5y ago
This story is just a lie. As others have said, council houses and benefits in the UK are not a pleasant experience, or easy to get without jumping through means testing hoops constantly