it might also be a difference in the domain you're working on. finance/banking tends to be a very different kind of programming then most developers are used t

it might also be a difference in the domain you're working on. finance/banking tends to be a very different kind of programming then most developers are used to, even though the domain expertise is still CRUD at the heart. i've been in that industry as well for 4 yrs now. I can kinda see his point, as its hard to not drift off in any other setting. You usually just get BusinessCases to implement, which are rigidly defined and just need to be implemented. (and tested to a degree some people wouldn't believe on this forum where even TDD is often questioned)