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It really depends. I think that not being able to access a drug because the FDA cites inconclusive research could also be terrible. Obviously you'd have to ba

It really depends. I think that not being able to access a drug because the FDA cites inconclusive research could also be terrible. Obviously you'd have to balance the risks of side effects with the chances of effectiveness. But for a drug with really rare and mild side effects by all means you should be able to try it if you want to without becoming a criminal

steve76 5y ago
I want to burn drug dealers at the stake. By all means, I should be able to try that without becoming a criminal.
JoshTriplett 5y ago
It's entirely self-consistent to believe that the FDA shouldn't be a gatekeeper over what people can try, and also belive that as long as they maintain that gatekeeper role and don't just approve everything non-toxic then it's harmful for them to approve one specific drug that has no effect. If they purport to be a trusted signal of what works and what doesn't, then their approval is an endorsement, and in this case that endorsement is passing off noise as signal.
linuxftw 5y ago
Do you feel the same about access to HCQ and Ivermectin?
- gilbetron 5y ago
  No the OP, but if they were the only things around that showed any possibility of combating Covid, sure. But that's not the case. We have vaccines and other therapeutics that show incredible effectiveness. Approving HCQ and Ivermectin in this situation is wrong.
  - black6 5y ago
    HCQ and ivermectin efficacy agaist SARS-CoV-2 was suppressed early on. If there were existing effective therapeutics, then emergency use authorization for the vaccines would not have been legally permissible (in the US).
    - gilbetron 5y ago
      Is India in on it, too? https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/new-treatment-guidelines-drop-ivermectin-zinc-vitamins-hydroxychloroquine-265244?&ampcf=1 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/new-treatment-guide... In all honesty, do you consider yourself a rational person? As in, is there something that could actually convince you that those drugs don't do much for Covid? I ask with absolute sincerity.
- triceratops 5y ago
  > Ivermectin Off-topic: Touting worm medicine (I've only heard of it used for heartworm in dogs, but apparently it's also for human worms) as a Covid cure has to be the work of some troll that got out of hand. I might be out of the loop but it seems like this came out of nowhere.

steve76 5y ago

I want to burn drug dealers at the stake. By all means, I should be able to try that without becoming a criminal.

JoshTriplett 5y ago

It's entirely self-consistent to believe that the FDA shouldn't be a gatekeeper over what people can try, and also belive that as long as they maintain that gatekeeper role and don't just approve everything non-toxic then it's harmful for them to approve one specific drug that has no effect. If they purport to be a trusted signal of what works and what doesn't, then their approval is an endorsement, and in this case that endorsement is passing off noise as signal.

linuxftw 5y ago

Do you feel the same about access to HCQ and Ivermectin?

gilbetron 5y ago
No the OP, but if they were the only things around that showed any possibility of combating Covid, sure. But that's not the case. We have vaccines and other therapeutics that show incredible effectiveness. Approving HCQ and Ivermectin in this situation is wrong.
- black6 5y ago
  HCQ and ivermectin efficacy agaist SARS-CoV-2 was suppressed early on. If there were existing effective therapeutics, then emergency use authorization for the vaccines would not have been legally permissible (in the US).
  - gilbetron 5y ago
    Is India in on it, too? https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/new-treatment-guidelines-drop-ivermectin-zinc-vitamins-hydroxychloroquine-265244?&ampcf=1 https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/new-treatment-guide... In all honesty, do you consider yourself a rational person? As in, is there something that could actually convince you that those drugs don't do much for Covid? I ask with absolute sincerity.
triceratops 5y ago
> Ivermectin Off-topic: Touting worm medicine (I've only heard of it used for heartworm in dogs, but apparently it's also for human worms) as a Covid cure has to be the work of some troll that got out of hand. I might be out of the loop but it seems like this came out of nowhere.