> It's a bit disingenuous of you to state that anti-vax people "don't care". Have you actually engaged with any of them? They probably care a lot more than you

> It's a bit disingenuous of you to state that anti-vax people "don't care". Have you actually engaged with any of them? They probably care a lot more than you and me about this stuff, they've just gone to the wrong conclusions. Agree. I know some and at least two are genuinely good people, the kind that would literally and metaphorically take a bullet for for a good cause. One of them is a qualified nurse, the other an engineer. I think it is because they have listened to Q. That is of course bad, but we should ask ourselves: why do good and reasonable people end up there? Can it be because politicians and media has been caught lying and covering for each other for so long that people don't trust them anymore? Just yesterday Glenn Greenwald published a detailed walk through of how "Trump used tear gas to remove peaceful demonstrants to take photo in front of church" has been debunked. It is not the first. That's just another one. How can people know who to believe? My latest approach to this has been a very logical one: say - for the sake of the argument - that doctors and scientists in Europe and US are in the pocket of big Pharma. If we can agree that Iranian doctors and scientists are not, can we then agree that something else is the reason why Iran still hasn't conquered COVID-19 despite having access to Zink and vitamin D and all the cheap generic pills that are supposed to fix COVID-19 so much more reliably than the vaccines? (i.e. there are some things one can reasonably believe even if the one who tells it to you are a known liar, but you have to judge.)