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> This is the same with how some people prefer cubicles (like me!) For me it goes like this (best to worse). WFH Forever (as I currently do). On-site

> This is the same with how some people prefer cubicles (like me!) For me it goes like this (best to worse). WFH Forever (as I currently do). On-site own office Small Office (only devs) Cubicle Open Office. Should note I will not work in an open office as in I used to ask in the interview if it was an open office and if so terminate the interview politely. Small Office/Cubicle you'd have to be paying spectaculary well. On-site own office I'd consider for market rate and WFH - just pay me the average for my level. Basically if you want me on-site it'll cost more, if you want me on-site in a less than ideal working environment (for me) it'll cost even more.

biztos 5y ago
Interesting that you prefer a small (shared) office to a cubicle -- I never worked in one but I imagine it to be a special kind of Hell. At least with a cubicle your space, such as it is, is your space -- you don't have to share it with John who smells funny or Larry who talks to himself, and so on.
- frumper 5y ago
  I can smell and hear my co-workers from my cubicle just fine. In the floor I'm on we have accountants, developers, the help desk, people that write contracts, and our travel desk. There is a lot of competing noise about a ton of different topics. To those, including my boss, that say as remote we miss out on the overhearing about an issue and coming up with a solution, I present you that I overhear about how accounting is categorizing funding, or whether contracts need to have contractors submit insurance more regularly. The developers all have on noise canceling headphones and send chat/email. On really fun days someone cooks fish in the microwave in the nearby kitchenette, but usually it's just smelling the dozen or so cubicles around me.
- noir_lord 5y ago
  A small office with only devs in is generally quieter than a cubicle surrounded by cubicles full of non-devs. There are two things that stop me from working comfortably/well - noise I can't control and visual distractions (and it's gotten worse as I've gotten older).
- WorldMaker 5y ago
  Most shared offices still have separate desks and/or cubicle-like dividers between spaces. > you don't have to share it with John who smells funny or Larry who talks to himself, and so on A cubicle room is a shared office with more participants. It's the difference between trying to find an dorm room with a roommate or three versus a cabin full of bunks with dozens of roommates. (The fact that "apartments" with proper offices are so far below the "norm" in work environments versus home environments/living arrangements says so much. When was the last time a cabin full of bunks was something you expected to be in 90% of the year? [Also, I think in this analogy the open office is the church basement full of sleeping bags.])
  - noir_lord 5y ago
    > Also, I think in this analogy the open office is the church basement full of sleeping bags. Only if half the people using the sleeping bags are also practicing the drums.

biztos 5y ago

Interesting that you prefer a small (shared) office to a cubicle -- I never worked in one but I imagine it to be a special kind of Hell. At least with a cubicle your space, such as it is, is your space -- you don't have to share it with John who smells funny or Larry who talks to himself, and so on.

frumper 5y ago
I can smell and hear my co-workers from my cubicle just fine. In the floor I'm on we have accountants, developers, the help desk, people that write contracts, and our travel desk. There is a lot of competing noise about a ton of different topics. To those, including my boss, that say as remote we miss out on the overhearing about an issue and coming up with a solution, I present you that I overhear about how accounting is categorizing funding, or whether contracts need to have contractors submit insurance more regularly. The developers all have on noise canceling headphones and send chat/email. On really fun days someone cooks fish in the microwave in the nearby kitchenette, but usually it's just smelling the dozen or so cubicles around me.
noir_lord 5y ago
A small office with only devs in is generally quieter than a cubicle surrounded by cubicles full of non-devs. There are two things that stop me from working comfortably/well - noise I can't control and visual distractions (and it's gotten worse as I've gotten older).
WorldMaker 5y ago
Most shared offices still have separate desks and/or cubicle-like dividers between spaces. > you don't have to share it with John who smells funny or Larry who talks to himself, and so on A cubicle room is a shared office with more participants. It's the difference between trying to find an dorm room with a roommate or three versus a cabin full of bunks with dozens of roommates. (The fact that "apartments" with proper offices are so far below the "norm" in work environments versus home environments/living arrangements says so much. When was the last time a cabin full of bunks was something you expected to be in 90% of the year? [Also, I think in this analogy the open office is the church basement full of sleeping bags.])
- noir_lord 5y ago
  > Also, I think in this analogy the open office is the church basement full of sleeping bags. Only if half the people using the sleeping bags are also practicing the drums.