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> Why do you think she just randomly made a completely unfounded accusation out of nowhere? It is "unproven" and likely inaccurate, but it is not "completely u

> Why do you think she just randomly made a completely unfounded accusation out of nowhere? It is "unproven" and likely inaccurate, but it is not "completely unfounded": https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israel... Why did she do it? Because she read something online that upset her, remembered it as fact, then just forwarded that information. That's a very human thing to do. Furthermore, in this case, the connection appears to have been made by an Israeli activist[1]: The only link to this tactic in the story is made by an activist, Neta Golan, who told the paper: “When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.” [1] https://twitter.com/netaknows https://twitter.com/netaknows

throw4455s 5y ago
Even if I'm being super charitable, I'd suggest the reason that she remembered it and took it as fact is because it aligned with her anti-Semitic prejudices.
- incrudible 5y ago
  First, I'd suggest that we separate anti-zionism and anti-Israel sentiment from antisemitism, because many Jews even within Israel are anti-zionist and even anti-Israel. Then, we can acknowledge that holding strong convictions against the current Israeli government, the occupation of the West-Bank and the treatment of Gaza is essentialy mainstream among Jews worldwide. I would agree that the left has an obsession with this particular issue that is disproportionate, but if hatred of Jews is the motivation, where is the smoking gun?
  - throw4455s 5y ago
    > First, I'd suggest that we separate anti-zionism and anti-Israel sentiment from antisemitism If you are thinking the progressives in the UK are making reasonable and legitimate criticism of the state of Israel and nothing more, then you're dangerously ignorant of what's going on at polite dinner-parties in middle-class London. The reality is that the former leader of the left-wing party in the UK is liking on Facebook murals like this: https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/977183210051338241 https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/977183210051338241 This is parody-tier anti-semitism.
    - incrudible 5y ago
      You're moving the goalpost from this particular actress, whose alleged "closet antisemitism" you are unable to prove. So let's examine this "piece of art": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity Indeed, if you were to conflate the depiction of Freemasonry/Illuminati and big noses with the "Jewish World Conspiracy", you might interpret this mural as "antisemitic": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Masonic_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Masonic_conspiracy_theor... However, only two of the depicted figures are actually Jewish. As with Israel, you can make the same distinction between "antagonists that happen to be Jewish" and Jews in general. If you buy into "horseshoe theory", you may well assume that some leftists must be stashing copies of "The Protocols" somewhere, ready to distribute when the time is right. However, for now I still don't see the smoking gun.
      - throw4455s 5y ago
        These are obviously intended to be caractectures of stereotypical Jewish people with stereotypical anti-semetic libels. Even if you could argue for some reason the particular people were relevant and actually looked like this... christ why woudln't you stop yourself and say 'wait a minute this could be misconstrued as anti-semetic, maybe I should adjust it'? How many examples of anti-semitism in the British progressive left do you need? How many people sacked by their own party and described by their own party as anti-semetic before you think 'oh right maybe these people are anti-semetic'? https://news.sky.com/story/12-shocking-claims-of-abuse-in-leaked-labour-antisemitism-dossier-11879053 https://news.sky.com/story/12-shocking-claims-of-abuse-in-le... 'This is fine, nothing to see here', huh?

throw4455s 5y ago

Even if I'm being super charitable, I'd suggest the reason that she remembered it and took it as fact is because it aligned with her anti-Semitic prejudices.

incrudible 5y ago
First, I'd suggest that we separate anti-zionism and anti-Israel sentiment from antisemitism, because many Jews even within Israel are anti-zionist and even anti-Israel. Then, we can acknowledge that holding strong convictions against the current Israeli government, the occupation of the West-Bank and the treatment of Gaza is essentialy mainstream among Jews worldwide. I would agree that the left has an obsession with this particular issue that is disproportionate, but if hatred of Jews is the motivation, where is the smoking gun?
- throw4455s 5y ago
  > First, I'd suggest that we separate anti-zionism and anti-Israel sentiment from antisemitism If you are thinking the progressives in the UK are making reasonable and legitimate criticism of the state of Israel and nothing more, then you're dangerously ignorant of what's going on at polite dinner-parties in middle-class London. The reality is that the former leader of the left-wing party in the UK is liking on Facebook murals like this: https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/977183210051338241 https://twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/977183210051338241 This is parody-tier anti-semitism.
  - incrudible 5y ago
    You're moving the goalpost from this particular actress, whose alleged "closet antisemitism" you are unable to prove. So let's examine this "piece of art": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_for_Humanity Indeed, if you were to conflate the depiction of Freemasonry/Illuminati and big noses with the "Jewish World Conspiracy", you might interpret this mural as "antisemitic": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Masonic_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Masonic_conspiracy_theor... However, only two of the depicted figures are actually Jewish. As with Israel, you can make the same distinction between "antagonists that happen to be Jewish" and Jews in general. If you buy into "horseshoe theory", you may well assume that some leftists must be stashing copies of "The Protocols" somewhere, ready to distribute when the time is right. However, for now I still don't see the smoking gun.
    - throw4455s 5y ago
      These are obviously intended to be caractectures of stereotypical Jewish people with stereotypical anti-semetic libels. Even if you could argue for some reason the particular people were relevant and actually looked like this... christ why woudln't you stop yourself and say 'wait a minute this could be misconstrued as anti-semetic, maybe I should adjust it'? How many examples of anti-semitism in the British progressive left do you need? How many people sacked by their own party and described by their own party as anti-semetic before you think 'oh right maybe these people are anti-semetic'? https://news.sky.com/story/12-shocking-claims-of-abuse-in-leaked-labour-antisemitism-dossier-11879053 https://news.sky.com/story/12-shocking-claims-of-abuse-in-le... 'This is fine, nothing to see here', huh?