That sounds like me. Whenever doctors have asked me when I normally go to sleep, I don't have an answer. I'd say sleep hygiene is necessary but not sufficient.

That sounds like me. Whenever doctors have asked me when I normally go to sleep, I don't have an answer. I'd say sleep hygiene is necessary but not sufficient. I'm guessing you are aware of the reddit forums for N24/DSPS,that are also pretty intolerant of sleep hygiene talk. But the part about getting up after 30 minutes or so to start over is definitely very helpful for me. For me, meditation also helps a lot, which I think suggests my main problem is anxiety/stress.