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Throwaway for obvious reasons. I don't know how it is in the US at the moment, but in the UK we're in the bizarro world where the mainstream progressive party

Throwaway for obvious reasons. I don't know how it is in the US at the moment, but in the UK we're in the bizarro world where the mainstream progressive party (Labour - like the Democrats in the US) seems to have a growing number of people, including young, media-savvy people you'd think would be extremely progressive, who are pretty openly anti-Semitic, while still considering themselves anti-racist. It's crazy and frightening. For example one popular progressive actress' response to George Floyd was to... claim it was a Jewish conspiracy... then retweeted by a senior person in the party who was almost leader. Almost in line to be PM of the UK! Bizarre. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/makine-peake-long-bailey-labour-18489860 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manches...

sofixa 5y ago
Wow, while reading your comment at first i thought asking if you're talking about actual anti-Semitism, or Israel criticisms deflected to the former. Thanks for the source, yikes!
- throw4455s 5y ago
  Yes, perhaps claiming to be Anti-Israel used to be their cover... but they're not even really bothering with that anymore. I really shudder to think about what is getting talked about amongst many mainstream progressive young people in the UK right now.
incrudible 5y ago
> For example one popular progressive actress' response to George Floyd was to... claim it was a Jewish conspiracy... I think that's quite a spin there. First of all, here's the claim: "During the interview, Maxine Peake claimed that police in America who knelt on George Floyd's neck had learned the tactic from 'seminars with Israeli secret services'. This may or may not be factually accurate, but seminars with Israeli security forces do exist, it is plausible that Derek Chauvin attended such a seminar, and that this particular method of restraint was presented. Many people don't realize that this method of restraint is (or was) in the police books. Derek Chauvin may have applied poor judgement in using it, but it was part of his training material. Making this connection between Israeli security forces (of all) and this particular incident may well have anti-semitic intentions, but this actress does deserve the benefit of the doubt.
- throw4455s 5y ago
  She was forced to acknowledge it was completely unfounded. Her own party, which itself has massive issues with anti-semitism, described it plainly as an 'antisemitic conspiracy theory'. When anti-semites are saying you're unacceptably anti-semetic you might need to stop and think about what you're doing with your life. Why do you think she just randomly made a completely unfounded accusation out of nowhere? Like what on earth did it have to do with anything? Why bring up the Israelis? Why's that the relevant part? Especially when it's not true? Because she's anti-semetic and it was an insane way to pin anti-black racism at least partially on Jewish people. It's also relevant because it was yet another mask-slip moment from the progressive in-crowd.
  - incrudible 5y ago
    > Why do you think she just randomly made a completely unfounded accusation out of nowhere? It is "unproven" and likely inaccurate, but it is not "completely unfounded": https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israel... Why did she do it? Because she read something online that upset her, remembered it as fact, then just forwarded that information. That's a very human thing to do. Furthermore, in this case, the connection appears to have been made by an Israeli activist[1]: The only link to this tactic in the story is made by an activist, Neta Golan, who told the paper: “When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.” [1] https://twitter.com/netaknows https://twitter.com/netaknows
    - throw4455s 5y ago
      Even if I'm being super charitable, I'd suggest the reason that she remembered it and took it as fact is because it aligned with her anti-Semitic prejudices.

sofixa 5y ago

Wow, while reading your comment at first i thought asking if you're talking about actual anti-Semitism, or Israel criticisms deflected to the former. Thanks for the source, yikes!

throw4455s 5y ago
Yes, perhaps claiming to be Anti-Israel used to be their cover... but they're not even really bothering with that anymore. I really shudder to think about what is getting talked about amongst many mainstream progressive young people in the UK right now.

incrudible 5y ago

> For example one popular progressive actress' response to George Floyd was to... claim it was a Jewish conspiracy... I think that's quite a spin there. First of all, here's the claim: "During the interview, Maxine Peake claimed that police in America who knelt on George Floyd's neck had learned the tactic from 'seminars with Israeli secret services'. This may or may not be factually accurate, but seminars with Israeli security forces do exist, it is plausible that Derek Chauvin attended such a seminar, and that this particular method of restraint was presented. Many people don't realize that this method of restraint is (or was) in the police books. Derek Chauvin may have applied poor judgement in using it, but it was part of his training material. Making this connection between Israeli security forces (of all) and this particular incident may well have anti-semitic intentions, but this actress does deserve the benefit of the doubt.

throw4455s 5y ago
She was forced to acknowledge it was completely unfounded. Her own party, which itself has massive issues with anti-semitism, described it plainly as an 'antisemitic conspiracy theory'. When anti-semites are saying you're unacceptably anti-semetic you might need to stop and think about what you're doing with your life. Why do you think she just randomly made a completely unfounded accusation out of nowhere? Like what on earth did it have to do with anything? Why bring up the Israelis? Why's that the relevant part? Especially when it's not true? Because she's anti-semetic and it was an insane way to pin anti-black racism at least partially on Jewish people. It's also relevant because it was yet another mask-slip moment from the progressive in-crowd.
- incrudible 5y ago
  > Why do you think she just randomly made a completely unfounded accusation out of nowhere? It is "unproven" and likely inaccurate, but it is not "completely unfounded": https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israel... Why did she do it? Because she read something online that upset her, remembered it as fact, then just forwarded that information. That's a very human thing to do. Furthermore, in this case, the connection appears to have been made by an Israeli activist[1]: The only link to this tactic in the story is made by an activist, Neta Golan, who told the paper: “When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.” [1] https://twitter.com/netaknows https://twitter.com/netaknows
  - throw4455s 5y ago
    Even if I'm being super charitable, I'd suggest the reason that she remembered it and took it as fact is because it aligned with her anti-Semitic prejudices.