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This article is about as scientific as anything you would see on Fox news. So all of those millions of petrol/diesel cars are all going to disappear overnight a

by jgb1984 5y ago

This article is about as scientific as anything you would see on Fox news. So all of those millions of petrol/diesel cars are all going to disappear overnight are they? It's been several years now that electric vehicles are mainstream and I still don't see any charging poles where I live. I'm not even talking about how the electricity that goes in the cars is often far from clean, and how insane ecologically damaging it is to replace a perfectly working car with a new one. And what about the environmental impact of batteries... And so on.

fredley 5y ago
Do you dispute the central claim, that petrol stations will struggle over the next 20 years as electric car use rises?
harg 5y ago
I don’t think the article alleges that ICE cars will disappear overnight. It merely claims that electric car growth will put pressure on petrol stations, forcing them to close which in turn further incentivises people to switch to electric. Seems fairly logical. All these things take time to happen and hopefully things will change for the better; cleaner electricity, battery tech cleaner, more sustainable. The alternative is new ICE cars which cannot be better.
rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
>I'm not even talking about how the electricity that goes in the cars is often far from clean, and how insane ecologically damaging it is to replace a perfectly working car with a new one. And what about the environmental impact of batteries... And so on. You should! Except in regions where most electricity is generated from coal, it's far better to drive an EV than an ICE vehicle. And unless you drive the car on very rare occasions, it's also worth it to ditch the ICE for a new EV. I suggest you watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjaUqUozwdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjaUqUozwdc (with English translation, of course). The youtuber is French engineer who covers absolutely everything. The transcript is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KtiB4r-p35FeNb6jMv92HqR7wRLjstj9c8GjFhS3O_c/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KtiB4r-p35FeNb6jMv92HqR7..., which translate well to English with DeepL or Google Translate. All his sources are linked below the video, too (with peer-reviewed papers). His previous video is on the issues that are specific with the battery themselves (sourcing, production, recycling, etc). It's a pretty deep dive, but there's so much to learn.

fredley 5y ago

Do you dispute the central claim, that petrol stations will struggle over the next 20 years as electric car use rises?

harg 5y ago

I don’t think the article alleges that ICE cars will disappear overnight. It merely claims that electric car growth will put pressure on petrol stations, forcing them to close which in turn further incentivises people to switch to electric. Seems fairly logical. All these things take time to happen and hopefully things will change for the better; cleaner electricity, battery tech cleaner, more sustainable. The alternative is new ICE cars which cannot be better.

rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago

>I'm not even talking about how the electricity that goes in the cars is often far from clean, and how insane ecologically damaging it is to replace a perfectly working car with a new one. And what about the environmental impact of batteries... And so on. You should! Except in regions where most electricity is generated from coal, it's far better to drive an EV than an ICE vehicle. And unless you drive the car on very rare occasions, it's also worth it to ditch the ICE for a new EV. I suggest you watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjaUqUozwdc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjaUqUozwdc (with English translation, of course). The youtuber is French engineer who covers absolutely everything. The transcript is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KtiB4r-p35FeNb6jMv92HqR7wRLjstj9c8GjFhS3O_c/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KtiB4r-p35FeNb6jMv92HqR7..., which translate well to English with DeepL or Google Translate. All his sources are linked below the video, too (with peer-reviewed papers). His previous video is on the issues that are specific with the battery themselves (sourcing, production, recycling, etc). It's a pretty deep dive, but there's so much to learn.