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> the hidden URL is one reason for this It's super easy to turn off in Safari Preferences though. Certainly easier than installing another browser.

onion2k 5y ago
To turn it off you first need to know that Safari is doing something to the domain. That requires some basic understanding of URL structures that non-technical users don't have. They often won't go looking for an option because they don't know there's another way to view addresses. This is the main problem with options over good defaults. An option requires enough understanding of the domain to realise that there might be other choices. It also requires enough knowledge to make that choice, especially for something that affects security (knowing if you're on a malicious website) but looks like a simple visual change (simplified URLs).
- anoncake 5y ago
  A user that uses Chrome because Safari simplifies the URL must be aware that Safari simplifies the URL.
  - onion2k 5y ago
    They're probably only aware that Safari and Chrome display different things in the address bar. If they don't like Safari they'll switch to something they prefer. Usually it'll follow a pattern like: "Hey friend, my browser is a bit rubbish, I can't see the page I'm on." Friend uses Chrome and demonstrates how it doesn't do that. "My friend's browser is better because the URL is clearer. I'll swap to that one." Non-technical users will usually follow recommendations like that before they considering looking for an option to make the browser work the way they want it to. Configuration isn't something most users do unless it's either suggested by the application or there's a button literally in front of them.
    - Grustaf 5y ago
      If you're not technical enough to see what the specific difference is between https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=27470241&goto=item%3Fid%3D27469534%2327470241 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=27470241&goto=item%3Fi... and https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/ then why would you actually need to see the full URL? Come to that, why would _anyone_ who isn't debugging a REST API need to see the full URL?
      - anoncake 5y ago
        To create a document with links. Hiding the URL makes that harder for non-technical users IME.
        Grustaf 5y ago
        But if you copy-paste it, it will copy the full URL. Even if you copy directly without tapping. I don't think there's a way to get just the domain.
        anoncake 5y ago
        I didn't expect it to be a problem, but empirically it is.

onion2k 5y ago

To turn it off you first need to know that Safari is doing something to the domain. That requires some basic understanding of URL structures that non-technical users don't have. They often won't go looking for an option because they don't know there's another way to view addresses. This is the main problem with options over good defaults. An option requires enough understanding of the domain to realise that there might be other choices. It also requires enough knowledge to make that choice, especially for something that affects security (knowing if you're on a malicious website) but looks like a simple visual change (simplified URLs).

anoncake 5y ago
A user that uses Chrome because Safari simplifies the URL must be aware that Safari simplifies the URL.
- onion2k 5y ago
  They're probably only aware that Safari and Chrome display different things in the address bar. If they don't like Safari they'll switch to something they prefer. Usually it'll follow a pattern like: "Hey friend, my browser is a bit rubbish, I can't see the page I'm on." Friend uses Chrome and demonstrates how it doesn't do that. "My friend's browser is better because the URL is clearer. I'll swap to that one." Non-technical users will usually follow recommendations like that before they considering looking for an option to make the browser work the way they want it to. Configuration isn't something most users do unless it's either suggested by the application or there's a button literally in front of them.
  - Grustaf 5y ago
    If you're not technical enough to see what the specific difference is between https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=27470241&goto=item%3Fid%3D27469534%2327470241 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=27470241&goto=item%3Fi... and https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/ then why would you actually need to see the full URL? Come to that, why would _anyone_ who isn't debugging a REST API need to see the full URL?
    - anoncake 5y ago
      To create a document with links. Hiding the URL makes that harder for non-technical users IME.
      - Grustaf 5y ago
        But if you copy-paste it, it will copy the full URL. Even if you copy directly without tapping. I don't think there's a way to get just the domain.
        anoncake 5y ago
        I didn't expect it to be a problem, but empirically it is.