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To be great at X you have to write the rules.

xwdv 5y ago
To be legendary at X you must go beyond X and invent Y, by creating a paradigm shift that echoes throughout your field.
mym1990 5y ago
Not really, Messi is great at soccer, he didn't write the rules of the game, but he was able to do things with the tools available that no one thought possible. To be great you usually have to be creative.
- quetzthecoatl 5y ago
  Messi can teach the ones who teach football. Not the best example. He was doing unbelievable things when he was a literal teenager. A surprisingly better example would be Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronaldo was absolutley frustrating to watch in his early career. It was someone trying hard to do flashy moves without any end product. He needed guidance, rules and structures. He also slowly transitioned from Winger to Forward/Striker. He is immensly talented, but no bigger talent than top talents in every era. Messi is on a different level. He is an all time great. Cristiano achieved what messi achieved because Cristiano is disciplined in a way that noone before is. The guy is 36 now and just topped goal charts in Italy.
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  - mym1990 5y ago
    I literally have no idea what you mean by 'Messi can teach the ones who teach football' but my comment was not an invitation to discuss who is better. The rules I am talking about are the ones like 'you can't kick the ball out of bounds', 'you have to score between the goalposts', 'this is a corner kick', 'this is offsides'. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo made those rules, but they are all time greats in their competency.
    - quetzthecoatl 5y ago
      I meant he could mentor the mentors in his teens - an age he should be getting mentored. He was that good, and surprisingly mature. He was a finished product in his teens. Cristiano wasn't. He was just one of the many talents among robinho, robben, rooney, van persie, fabregas, quaresma (to name a few i remember) - all of them rated better than cristiano. And by rules, I don't mean offside, handball, freekick rules. I mean how to hold the line, when to dribble, when to shoot, to hold formation, play as a team, end product etc.
    - mtrower 5y ago
      No wait, he has something here. Not about who is better; that’s irrelevant. But, on “rules”. What’s being discussed here are “best practice” rules —- strategies of social construct that are sometimes smarter to bend or break, or maybe can be changed entirely if you can prove a more successful method. The “rules” you’re mentioning are perhaps more akin to physics —- fundamental laws that govern the game. You really aren’t supposed to break those, regardless of talent or success.

xwdv 5y ago

To be legendary at X you must go beyond X and invent Y, by creating a paradigm shift that echoes throughout your field.

mym1990 5y ago

Not really, Messi is great at soccer, he didn't write the rules of the game, but he was able to do things with the tools available that no one thought possible. To be great you usually have to be creative.

quetzthecoatl 5y ago
Messi can teach the ones who teach football. Not the best example. He was doing unbelievable things when he was a literal teenager. A surprisingly better example would be Cristiano Ronaldo. Ronaldo was absolutley frustrating to watch in his early career. It was someone trying hard to do flashy moves without any end product. He needed guidance, rules and structures. He also slowly transitioned from Winger to Forward/Striker. He is immensly talented, but no bigger talent than top talents in every era. Messi is on a different level. He is an all time great. Cristiano achieved what messi achieved because Cristiano is disciplined in a way that noone before is. The guy is 36 now and just topped goal charts in Italy.
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- mym1990 5y ago
  I literally have no idea what you mean by 'Messi can teach the ones who teach football' but my comment was not an invitation to discuss who is better. The rules I am talking about are the ones like 'you can't kick the ball out of bounds', 'you have to score between the goalposts', 'this is a corner kick', 'this is offsides'. Neither Messi nor Ronaldo made those rules, but they are all time greats in their competency.
  - quetzthecoatl 5y ago
    I meant he could mentor the mentors in his teens - an age he should be getting mentored. He was that good, and surprisingly mature. He was a finished product in his teens. Cristiano wasn't. He was just one of the many talents among robinho, robben, rooney, van persie, fabregas, quaresma (to name a few i remember) - all of them rated better than cristiano. And by rules, I don't mean offside, handball, freekick rules. I mean how to hold the line, when to dribble, when to shoot, to hold formation, play as a team, end product etc.
  - mtrower 5y ago
    No wait, he has something here. Not about who is better; that’s irrelevant. But, on “rules”. What’s being discussed here are “best practice” rules —- strategies of social construct that are sometimes smarter to bend or break, or maybe can be changed entirely if you can prove a more successful method. The “rules” you’re mentioning are perhaps more akin to physics —- fundamental laws that govern the game. You really aren’t supposed to break those, regardless of talent or success.