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>exceedingly rare reaction In my personal case, it's 1 in 8 vaxxed that I know personally with bad reaction and accompanying devastating financial consequences

by panny 5y ago

>exceedingly rare reaction In my personal case, it's 1 in 8 vaxxed that I know personally with bad reaction and accompanying devastating financial consequences. I also don't really consider the reported thousands dead, tens of thousands of ER visits, and thousands more hospitalized and/or permanently disabled as exceedingly rare. These are CDC numbers from the VAERS database, https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19 https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GRO... >when, exactly, do you propose making the call to go ahead and get your family vaccinated? When it is proven safe.

zaarn 5y ago
From about the 200 people I've got on my spreadsheet to track this shit (because I'm not a very busy person and it's a nice way to counter antivaxxers), I've got 0 people who have been hospitalized. Most people simply suffer from a strong, but expected, side effect of a vaccine. After all, their immune system is indeed fighting off what it thinks is a serious threat and expending a lot of resources for that. You get similar (but weaker) side effects from Influenza shots. If you look at the write-ups on that link, btw, and not simply if the person was hospitalized, you see that most cases simply end up in observation overnight and most suffer rather mild symptoms you'd experience from a strong immune reaction. A lot of cases are marked as "not recovered" but the writeup says "Headache for 45 minutes, gave ibuprofen." Even better, most of the deaths are labelled as an allergic reaction and in some cases it's 80+ year old people dying.
chipotle_coyote 5y ago
Well. "medalerts.org" is the "National Vaccine Information Center", a notorious source of vaccine misinformation, pushing the thoroughly discredited theory that vaccines cause autism, and lately -- surprise -- being widely criticized as one of the worst pushers of Covid-19 misinformation. A substantial amount of their funding comes from Joseph Mercola, which, well, yikes. (Why I say "yikes" is left as an exercise for the reader.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Information_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Information_C... But VAERS (the "Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System") is from the CDC, right? Great! Except that it's an open database -- anyone can submit a report and there is no verification. While this doesn't make it useless, it does make it ripe for abuse. "One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event," cautions the FAQ on the VAERS website itself. A lot of information back in the vaccines-cause-autism scare days was literally being added to VAERS by personal injury lawyers. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governments-vaccine-safety-database-critical/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governm...
- panny 5y ago
  >a notorious source of vaccine misinformation Are you suggesting their information isn't the same as the CDC? Have any proof of it? >But VAERS (the "Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System") is from the CDC, right? Great! Except that it's an open database -- anyone can submit a report and there is no verification. Again, do you have any proof that there is a conspiracy to fill the VAERS database with fake data about covid vaccines? Or is this all just a theory of yours? There's no evidence that what you are saying is true. There is a hospital bill that has to be paid, due to a covid vaccination in my family. That's hard evidence for me that covid vaccines are not safe.
  - bmn__ 5y ago
    Nothing is safe. It's always a trade-off. I guess people are downvoting you because they think you misjudge the trade-off.

by panny 5y ago

zaarn 5y ago

From about the 200 people I've got on my spreadsheet to track this shit (because I'm not a very busy person and it's a nice way to counter antivaxxers), I've got 0 people who have been hospitalized. Most people simply suffer from a strong, but expected, side effect of a vaccine. After all, their immune system is indeed fighting off what it thinks is a serious threat and expending a lot of resources for that. You get similar (but weaker) side effects from Influenza shots. If you look at the write-ups on that link, btw, and not simply if the person was hospitalized, you see that most cases simply end up in observation overnight and most suffer rather mild symptoms you'd experience from a strong immune reaction. A lot of cases are marked as "not recovered" but the writeup says "Headache for 45 minutes, gave ibuprofen." Even better, most of the deaths are labelled as an allergic reaction and in some cases it's 80+ year old people dying.

chipotle_coyote 5y ago

Well. "medalerts.org" is the "National Vaccine Information Center", a notorious source of vaccine misinformation, pushing the thoroughly discredited theory that vaccines cause autism, and lately -- surprise -- being widely criticized as one of the worst pushers of Covid-19 misinformation. A substantial amount of their funding comes from Joseph Mercola, which, well, yikes. (Why I say "yikes" is left as an exercise for the reader.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Information_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vaccine_Information_C... But VAERS (the "Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System") is from the CDC, right? Great! Except that it's an open database -- anyone can submit a report and there is no verification. While this doesn't make it useless, it does make it ripe for abuse. "One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event," cautions the FAQ on the VAERS website itself. A lot of information back in the vaccines-cause-autism scare days was literally being added to VAERS by personal injury lawyers. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governments-vaccine-safety-database-critical/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governm...

panny 5y ago
>a notorious source of vaccine misinformation Are you suggesting their information isn't the same as the CDC? Have any proof of it? >But VAERS (the "Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System") is from the CDC, right? Great! Except that it's an open database -- anyone can submit a report and there is no verification. Again, do you have any proof that there is a conspiracy to fill the VAERS database with fake data about covid vaccines? Or is this all just a theory of yours? There's no evidence that what you are saying is true. There is a hospital bill that has to be paid, due to a covid vaccination in my family. That's hard evidence for me that covid vaccines are not safe.
- bmn__ 5y ago
  Nothing is safe. It's always a trade-off. I guess people are downvoting you because they think you misjudge the trade-off.