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> I am just waiting untill I need to go to the hospital and a warning pops up: "this destination is not included in basic plan, do you want to upgrade to premiu

by danans 5y ago

> I am just waiting untill I need to go to the hospital and a warning pops up: "this destination is not included in basic plan, do you want to upgrade to premium for $999" and then have it reject my card or crash or glitch out and leave me high and dry. If you are unable to drive due to an emergency medical condition, shouldn't you call an ambulance instead? Otherwise, if can't afford the self-driving service, can't you just drive the car yourself?

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"If you are unable to drive due to an emergency medical condition, shouldn't you call an ambulance instead?" Maybe I broke my hand, that' doesn't require an ambulance - my life is not in danger. What's the point of self-driving if you can't rely on it when I need it most? It's not about money, it's about reliability. I recently tried to get a rental bike with an app, their app crashed, refused to accept a code they sent me, then blocked me for requesting too many codes (2), leaving me stranded. Then I went to rent 'official' London bikes, you have to accept 42 page rental agreement. And if the machine is out of paper, it will take your money but won't give you a code to get the bike. Their app will happily charge you for 2 bikes, and will give you 2 codes, but only one of them will work because you are only allowed 1 bike per person. So I got sick of this BS and bought my own bike. It's less work than jumping through all the hoops these idiot companies make me deal with. but this bullshit is invading every most private aspect of our lives and soon we will loose our rights to ownership.
- danans 5y ago
  > Maybe I broke my hand, that' doesn't require an ambulance - my life is not in danger. What's the point of self-driving if you can't rely on it when I need it most? The scenario you are proposing, that a autonomous driving service would deny to drive you to a hospital unless you pay them to upgrade the service, is far fetched, since nobody would buy such a service in the first place and it would go out of business. There are plenty of alternatives to ensure this, including calling an ambulance, which costs less than $999 (after insurance). > we will loose our rights to ownership. That's a much broader issue than autonomous driving, but even given that, what exactly do you propose to "own" in the case of a self driving service, beyond the sensors and the computer in the car? The map and traffic data, and the software that make up the system will have to be continually updated because the world is constantly changing. The autonomous driving system's creators can either add the cost of those updates to the initial sales price (i.e. Tesla's model), pay it via a subscription, or VW's proposal which is neither a large upfront cost, nor is it a recurring subscription. This makes it accessible to a larger population.

by danans 5y ago

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"If you are unable to drive due to an emergency medical condition, shouldn't you call an ambulance instead?" Maybe I broke my hand, that' doesn't require an ambulance - my life is not in danger. What's the point of self-driving if you can't rely on it when I need it most? It's not about money, it's about reliability. I recently tried to get a rental bike with an app, their app crashed, refused to accept a code they sent me, then blocked me for requesting too many codes (2), leaving me stranded. Then I went to rent 'official' London bikes, you have to accept 42 page rental agreement. And if the machine is out of paper, it will take your money but won't give you a code to get the bike. Their app will happily charge you for 2 bikes, and will give you 2 codes, but only one of them will work because you are only allowed 1 bike per person. So I got sick of this BS and bought my own bike. It's less work than jumping through all the hoops these idiot companies make me deal with. but this bullshit is invading every most private aspect of our lives and soon we will loose our rights to ownership.

danans 5y ago
> Maybe I broke my hand, that' doesn't require an ambulance - my life is not in danger. What's the point of self-driving if you can't rely on it when I need it most? The scenario you are proposing, that a autonomous driving service would deny to drive you to a hospital unless you pay them to upgrade the service, is far fetched, since nobody would buy such a service in the first place and it would go out of business. There are plenty of alternatives to ensure this, including calling an ambulance, which costs less than $999 (after insurance). > we will loose our rights to ownership. That's a much broader issue than autonomous driving, but even given that, what exactly do you propose to "own" in the case of a self driving service, beyond the sensors and the computer in the car? The map and traffic data, and the software that make up the system will have to be continually updated because the world is constantly changing. The autonomous driving system's creators can either add the cost of those updates to the initial sales price (i.e. Tesla's model), pay it via a subscription, or VW's proposal which is neither a large upfront cost, nor is it a recurring subscription. This makes it accessible to a larger population.