>This is a very HN comment, because it ignores that a lot of people are paid for being physically present somewhere (not for their output). Are you saying you

>This is a very HN comment, because it ignores that a lot of people are paid for being physically present somewhere (not for their output). Are you saying you think most people on HN do piecework? Because I sort of took for granted they were salaried. At any rate, different companies within an industry area can be quite different. I have had jobs involving programming that were: - salaried - hourly, with overtime - required time entry of billable/nonbillable projects worked on in 15 or 6 minute increments - required using a time clock (but not intraday time entry) - union - non-union Only the time clock one (salaried, non-union) was primarily focused on "butts in seats". They also had something in the orientation about sleeping at your desk not being allowed.