> Apple juice is actually a clear example of the problem. Industrially produced fruit juices aren't at all like fresh-squeezed juice; the production process eli

> Apple juice is actually a clear example of the problem. Industrially produced fruit juices aren't at all like fresh-squeezed juice; the production process eliminates the actual juice flavor, requiring it to be manually added back just before bottling. If you see a juice bottle that lists "flavors" as an ingredient, that's what happened. You can find a bunch of articles on this (e.g. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/orange-juice-moms-secret-ingre https://abcnews.go.com/Health/orange-juice-moms-secret-ingre...), although they tend to discuss orange juice as the example. My impression is that they don't actually need to list "flavors" or anything special on the label when they do this, because they are just adding additional orange juice back, and it is highly unlikely that the result is nutritionally any different from fresh-squeezed juice. The other argument for distinguishing ultra-processed foods is that even if the additives that wouldn't be found in normal processed foods aren't nutritionally significant in themselves, the resulting food is more palatable, so people consume more of it, but I don't think most people would say that bottled orange juice is more palatable than fresh-squeezed orange juice. Anyway, it is theoretically possible that bottled "ultra-processed" orange juice is somehow less healthy than normal "processed" fresh-squeezed orange juice, but the point the parent comment was trying to make was that juice may be in itself unhealthy because the amount you consume is so much more than you would consume from eating fruit directly, and I was just trying to clarify that although true, this argument about juice in general is somewhat separate from the distinction between processed and ultraprocessed foods because fresh juice has that issue and can already be considered processed.