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There are a range of anti-vaccine opinions from idiotic (the example Linus quotes) to more reasonable. The way this issue has been handled is emblematic of the

There are a range of anti-vaccine opinions from idiotic (the example Linus quotes) to more reasonable. The way this issue has been handled is emblematic of the way many such political issues are handled: fringe views are promoted and "debunked" while more reasonable views that go against mainstream narratives are ignored. This is amplified by various high profile personalities in the media who shape the views people are presented with, so that all critics of the mainstream narrative appear to be lunatics. Thus stigmatizing anyone who has a more reasonable objection. This is not a new phenomenon but has played out much more frequently over the last year or so. Also, I got the vaccine, so if you interpret this as some sort of veiled anti-vaccine comment you are part of the problem.

berkes 5y ago
Do you have any examples of such 'reasonable views' that are ignored? Because I don't. I do see a lot of reasonable objections making headlines or having a large impact. E.g. side effects halting entire campaigns for weeks, or large articles highlighting the dowsides of various vaccines, debates on particle sizes and fluid dynamics on national TV and so on.
- tim333 5y ago
  That it could make sense for low risk people to wait and see how it goes?
  - bartimus 5y ago
    See how it goes to get infected with the virus? It didn't pass any clinical trial.
    - jeffreyrogers 5y ago
      Pretty good chance you never get infected though (or at least don't get infected for a couple of years when there will be more information). Especially if you live in certain areas.
  - thamer 5y ago
    Are "low-risk people" somehow living in an isolated society with only their kind? Or do they also have parents, grandparents, immunocompromised or overweight friends? The ones who you could argue are at the lowest risk level – those that will have an asymptomatic infection and might not take precautions because they feel fine – are actually presenting the highest risk to every vulnerable person they encounter.
- hayanno 5y ago
  "If you and your family are more protected these days, it's because of all those other people who made the right choice" I do not understand that from my point of view, what I heard what that vaccine didn't stop you from being contagious to other people. I'm looking for an educated answer, I'm not anti-vaxx, far from it, I'm just curious about it.
  - zibzab 5y ago
    They virus "survives" much shorter time in a vaccinated body hence less chance of tranmission to a new host. That time is however not zero. Furthermore, you can carry the virus outside your body.
  - tim333 5y ago
    Doesn't stop but reduces a lot. You are about 10x less likely to catch covid with a vaccine and about 2x less likely to spread it if you do. Also if you compare a population of 100 million people who mostly have that 20x protection with one that doesn't and infect one person the the end result is one or two infections in the first case and about 100 million in the second.

berkes 5y ago

Do you have any examples of such 'reasonable views' that are ignored? Because I don't. I do see a lot of reasonable objections making headlines or having a large impact. E.g. side effects halting entire campaigns for weeks, or large articles highlighting the dowsides of various vaccines, debates on particle sizes and fluid dynamics on national TV and so on.

tim333 5y ago
That it could make sense for low risk people to wait and see how it goes?
- bartimus 5y ago
  See how it goes to get infected with the virus? It didn't pass any clinical trial.
  - jeffreyrogers 5y ago
    Pretty good chance you never get infected though (or at least don't get infected for a couple of years when there will be more information). Especially if you live in certain areas.
- thamer 5y ago
  Are "low-risk people" somehow living in an isolated society with only their kind? Or do they also have parents, grandparents, immunocompromised or overweight friends? The ones who you could argue are at the lowest risk level – those that will have an asymptomatic infection and might not take precautions because they feel fine – are actually presenting the highest risk to every vulnerable person they encounter.
hayanno 5y ago
"If you and your family are more protected these days, it's because of all those other people who made the right choice" I do not understand that from my point of view, what I heard what that vaccine didn't stop you from being contagious to other people. I'm looking for an educated answer, I'm not anti-vaxx, far from it, I'm just curious about it.
- zibzab 5y ago
  They virus "survives" much shorter time in a vaccinated body hence less chance of tranmission to a new host. That time is however not zero. Furthermore, you can carry the virus outside your body.
- tim333 5y ago
  Doesn't stop but reduces a lot. You are about 10x less likely to catch covid with a vaccine and about 2x less likely to spread it if you do. Also if you compare a population of 100 million people who mostly have that 20x protection with one that doesn't and infect one person the the end result is one or two infections in the first case and about 100 million in the second.