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In other news, creepy totalitarian regime continues to behave in creepy totalitarian fashion.

mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
It’s valuable to know about the specifics of a behavior if you have any interest in stopping it.
8bitsrule 5y ago
North American citizens may have forgotten about actions taken by their own government against indigenous peoples in 'modern' times. (Which preceded those of Germany, Japan and China.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schoo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...
- mads 5y ago
  At least those atrocities are out in the open.
  - tfcata 5y ago
    Open or not, a crime is a crime. Being open doesn't make the crime less of a crime.
  - bingbong70 5y ago
    When the Chinese track down and capture the thousands of Uyghur militants that the US/Turkey helped relocate to the middle east (mainly Syria/Iraq to assist in regime change operations) they are doing the world a favor. This article is behind a paywall but I expect a significant % of the seized Uyghurs fall into the category "recently trained by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, TIP etc..." The alternative is for China to let these trained Uyghur fighters/terrorists in the middle east (many with newly issued Turkish passports) eventually flood Europe through various refugee/immigration programs... but I'm quite sure this UK newspaper would be singing another convenient anti-Chinese tune if that were allowed to happen UYGHUR MILITANCY IN AND BEYOND SOUTHEAST ASIA: AN ASSESSMENT (2017) - https://www.jstor.org/stable/26351495 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26351495
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  All true and we can now play a game of quoting American vs European/American history (plenty of genocides in either). But that doesn't make the present-day crimes of the CCP any less heinous or horrible.
  - tfcata 5y ago
    But it does show the hypocrisy of the west.
  - powerapple 5y ago
    I am pretty sure that CCP is less heinous and horrible comparing to those acts. This is exactly why I am strongly against labeling anyone Nazi without really comparing their actions. Westerners love to use terminology they are familiar with, 'colonism', 'slavery' and 'genocide'. I don't know what's the purpose of using these words rather than stating facts, personally I feel that they want to make themselves look good by associate these words with Chinese investment in Africa, Chinese factory and now Xinjiang.
  - 8bitsrule 5y ago
    Of course it doesn't make the crimes less heinous. If anything it makes them more heinous, because they failed to learn from those mistakes. Their statues will also be torn down.
- Rtyu777 5y ago
  In 1537 Pope tried to stop native Indian genocides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimis_Deus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimis_Deus

It’s valuable to know about the specifics of a behavior if you have any interest in stopping it.

North American citizens may have forgotten about actions taken by their own government against indigenous peoples in 'modern' times. (Which preceded those of Germany, Japan and China.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schoo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...

mads 5y ago
At least those atrocities are out in the open.
- tfcata 5y ago
  Open or not, a crime is a crime. Being open doesn't make the crime less of a crime.
- bingbong70 5y ago
  When the Chinese track down and capture the thousands of Uyghur militants that the US/Turkey helped relocate to the middle east (mainly Syria/Iraq to assist in regime change operations) they are doing the world a favor. This article is behind a paywall but I expect a significant % of the seized Uyghurs fall into the category "recently trained by ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, TIP etc..." The alternative is for China to let these trained Uyghur fighters/terrorists in the middle east (many with newly issued Turkish passports) eventually flood Europe through various refugee/immigration programs... but I'm quite sure this UK newspaper would be singing another convenient anti-Chinese tune if that were allowed to happen UYGHUR MILITANCY IN AND BEYOND SOUTHEAST ASIA: AN ASSESSMENT (2017) - https://www.jstor.org/stable/26351495 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26351495
estaseuropano 5y ago
All true and we can now play a game of quoting American vs European/American history (plenty of genocides in either). But that doesn't make the present-day crimes of the CCP any less heinous or horrible.
- tfcata 5y ago
  But it does show the hypocrisy of the west.
- powerapple 5y ago
  I am pretty sure that CCP is less heinous and horrible comparing to those acts. This is exactly why I am strongly against labeling anyone Nazi without really comparing their actions. Westerners love to use terminology they are familiar with, 'colonism', 'slavery' and 'genocide'. I don't know what's the purpose of using these words rather than stating facts, personally I feel that they want to make themselves look good by associate these words with Chinese investment in Africa, Chinese factory and now Xinjiang.
- 8bitsrule 5y ago
  Of course it doesn't make the crimes less heinous. If anything it makes them more heinous, because they failed to learn from those mistakes. Their statues will also be torn down.
Rtyu777 5y ago
In 1537 Pope tried to stop native Indian genocides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimis_Deus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimis_Deus