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Cobra Effect: Lionfish-style

15 points by kaptain 15y ago

spatten 15y ago
Ideas like this always reminds me of the old lady who swallowed a fly, which is such a powerful metaphor for almost any time we try to control invasive species. Creating a demand for a product is a powerful force, but it sure is hard to control once it has been established. P.S. Here's the link to the cobra effect article from yesterday: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cobra_effect https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cobra_effect
blackboxxx 15y ago
I don't like the editorial slant on the title kaptain. You're declaring it a bad idea when you likely don't have anywhere near the credentials to make such a call. Either we continue to eat the same popular fish out of existance, or we can try and eat overpopulated predators like the Lionfish. It makes sense to try an idea before we condemn it.
- tiddchristopher 15y ago
  Credentials don't matter. The idea--or, at least, a very similar one in terms of economic incentives--has been tried, and it resulted in the cobra effect. So it's not entirely out of place to condemn the idea.
- js2 15y ago
  There are risks to whetting America’s appetite. Marketing an invasive species could make it so popular that “individuals would raise or release the fish” where they did not already exist, Ms. Fellows said, potentially exacerbating the problem; tilapia were originally imported into Latin America for weed and bug control, but commercialization helped the species spread far more widely than intended.
- mwsherman 15y ago
  Pattern recognition and reading of history don’t require a credential. What are the economic credentials of those who are promoting the idea?
- awaz 15y ago
  I checked your HN karma after reading your comment. It's no surprise that you are a newbie. Ability to reason well is the only credential needed around here.
- kaptain 15y ago
  I'm not declaring it a bad idea. I'm pointing out how this idea is similar to a previously posted concept that other HN'rs thought was interesting. I saw the parallels so I thought maybe HN'rs might think this was interesting too. But with regard to your comment, I don't think it makes sense to try every idea before we condemn it.
brianbreslin 15y ago
I think this idea could be applied to lots of species. Maybe they put a regulation on farming, free reign on fishing. In Florida there is a big problem with pythons in the Everglades that came from people's homes where they were pets.

15 points by kaptain 15y ago

Ideas like this always reminds me of the old lady who swallowed a fly, which is such a powerful metaphor for almost any time we try to control invasive species. Creating a demand for a product is a powerful force, but it sure is hard to control once it has been established. P.S. Here's the link to the cobra effect article from yesterday: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cobra_effect https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cobra_effect

blackboxxx 15y ago

I don't like the editorial slant on the title kaptain. You're declaring it a bad idea when you likely don't have anywhere near the credentials to make such a call. Either we continue to eat the same popular fish out of existance, or we can try and eat overpopulated predators like the Lionfish. It makes sense to try an idea before we condemn it.

tiddchristopher 15y ago
Credentials don't matter. The idea--or, at least, a very similar one in terms of economic incentives--has been tried, and it resulted in the cobra effect. So it's not entirely out of place to condemn the idea.
js2 15y ago
There are risks to whetting America’s appetite. Marketing an invasive species could make it so popular that “individuals would raise or release the fish” where they did not already exist, Ms. Fellows said, potentially exacerbating the problem; tilapia were originally imported into Latin America for weed and bug control, but commercialization helped the species spread far more widely than intended.
mwsherman 15y ago
Pattern recognition and reading of history don’t require a credential. What are the economic credentials of those who are promoting the idea?
awaz 15y ago
I checked your HN karma after reading your comment. It's no surprise that you are a newbie. Ability to reason well is the only credential needed around here.
kaptain 15y ago
I'm not declaring it a bad idea. I'm pointing out how this idea is similar to a previously posted concept that other HN'rs thought was interesting. I saw the parallels so I thought maybe HN'rs might think this was interesting too. But with regard to your comment, I don't think it makes sense to try every idea before we condemn it.

brianbreslin 15y ago

I think this idea could be applied to lots of species. Maybe they put a regulation on farming, free reign on fishing. In Florida there is a big problem with pythons in the Everglades that came from people's homes where they were pets.