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The end doesn’t justify the means. Finding out about some cool stuff doesn’t justify the insane amount of collection of ones personal data by hundreds of compan

by p49k 5y ago

The end doesn’t justify the means. Finding out about some cool stuff doesn’t justify the insane amount of collection of ones personal data by hundreds of companies in a manner which is basically impossible for a person to reasonably prevent.

google234123 5y ago
An internet with no ads will have much less content.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  True but probably a lot better content. It would disincentivise clickbait.
- lvass 5y ago
  Imagine a world where OpenStreetMap is financially sustainable but Google maps were not. That's where we would be without ads, and it's beautiful.
- p49k 5y ago
  That's a false dichotomy. You can have ads without tracking user activity; for example, contextual ads.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
  Most content is being produced by end users that are paid nothing. In the early says of the internet, when there was no advertising, there was plenty of content. But what made the internet truly exciting was not the "content" but the potential ability to communicate and share with people anywhere in the world without expensive telephone calls or slow postal service. Think of the internet not as a "destination" but as a medium. It is a way to reach someone, like a telephone line, but with much greater capabilities. (Originally, that is how we accessed it, over telephone lines.) The internet is not a collection of popular websites run by companies that spy on you for the purposes of online advertising. They are just middlemen exploiting that desire of users to connect with each other. They sit in the middle and spy on everything. The internet is a medium, not a collection of middlemen. When you remove the ads, the "business model" of the middlmen disappears, and the incentive for spying is reduced.
mavhc 5y ago
OK, so someone has "my data", ie a partial list of websites I may have visited. Now what? What harm has been caused to me?
IX-103 5y ago
And if they could do it workout gathering that much personal data? Isn't that what FLOC is trying to do?
- p49k 5y ago
  That's what FLoC is trying and failing to do according to basically every analysis, including this one. Ads can exist without having to be based on users' personal data, as they were for 100+ years before (even on the internet itself, they used to be based on the content of the site rather than users' personal data)

by p49k 5y ago

google234123 5y ago

An internet with no ads will have much less content.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
True but probably a lot better content. It would disincentivise clickbait.
lvass 5y ago
Imagine a world where OpenStreetMap is financially sustainable but Google maps were not. That's where we would be without ads, and it's beautiful.
p49k 5y ago
That's a false dichotomy. You can have ads without tracking user activity; for example, contextual ads.
1vuio0pswjnm7 5y ago
Most content is being produced by end users that are paid nothing. In the early says of the internet, when there was no advertising, there was plenty of content. But what made the internet truly exciting was not the "content" but the potential ability to communicate and share with people anywhere in the world without expensive telephone calls or slow postal service. Think of the internet not as a "destination" but as a medium. It is a way to reach someone, like a telephone line, but with much greater capabilities. (Originally, that is how we accessed it, over telephone lines.) The internet is not a collection of popular websites run by companies that spy on you for the purposes of online advertising. They are just middlemen exploiting that desire of users to connect with each other. They sit in the middle and spy on everything. The internet is a medium, not a collection of middlemen. When you remove the ads, the "business model" of the middlmen disappears, and the incentive for spying is reduced.

mavhc 5y ago

OK, so someone has "my data", ie a partial list of websites I may have visited. Now what? What harm has been caused to me?

IX-103 5y ago

And if they could do it workout gathering that much personal data? Isn't that what FLOC is trying to do?

p49k 5y ago
That's what FLoC is trying and failing to do according to basically every analysis, including this one. Ads can exist without having to be based on users' personal data, as they were for 100+ years before (even on the internet itself, they used to be based on the content of the site rather than users' personal data)