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This is why I find it hard to trust Apple products - if Apple funnels the request through their servers Apple also now has access to this data. Now, your person

This is why I find it hard to trust Apple products - if Apple funnels the request through their servers Apple also now has access to this data. Now, your personal data / metadata is available with more people than before. But you are supposed to believe this is all to protect you. /s (And no, I don't trust Apple not to associate this data with a user's Apple ID and datamine it in the future - if your country has lax privacy laws Apple will exploit it till the law says otherwise.) Edit: Here's another perspective - now, even if I don't use Apple's iCloud backup or email services, Apple has found another clever way to learn about some of the marketing emails I receive. That information is very valuable.

macintux 5y ago
> if your country has lax privacy laws Apple will exploit it till the law says otherwise Given the wretched state of privacy laws in the U.S. that seems an uncharitable position. Apple has far more business motivation to treat its customers well in that regard than to try to squeeze money out of their data. Although you’d think they’d have motivation to treat developers better than demanding a 30% cut, so there’s that.
floatingatoll 5y ago
Typically they have an off switch for things that are considered sensitive data, and when they don't they seem inclined to course correct. If they don't have an off switch in the WWDC developer betas, that would be a bug for everyone to report via Feedback Assistant.
lstamour 5y ago
If Apple re-uses iCloud Private Relay for this feature, which they might or might not be doing, then there are actually two entities involved and Apple presumably knows what user made the request but not what URL was requested: https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/10/how-apple-icloud-private-relay-works https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/10/how-apple-icloud-...
_hyn3 5y ago
This is absolutely correct. Because you can connect Apple Mail to non-Apple servers, they are missing out on a lot of telemetry that Gmail gets by default (because it already goes through Gmail's servers.) This gives them an excuse to proxy non-Apple email. (on another note, it sure seems like most of Apple's moves are dual-purpose now, and I don't think that was the case in the days of Jobs.) However, I'd like to see the Privacy Policy (if it's available and in plain English) for this feature before concluding that they're not immediately discarding this data (or even just where I get my mail from, which is also very useful information to further lock me in.)

macintux 5y ago

> if your country has lax privacy laws Apple will exploit it till the law says otherwise Given the wretched state of privacy laws in the U.S. that seems an uncharitable position. Apple has far more business motivation to treat its customers well in that regard than to try to squeeze money out of their data. Although you’d think they’d have motivation to treat developers better than demanding a 30% cut, so there’s that.

floatingatoll 5y ago

Typically they have an off switch for things that are considered sensitive data, and when they don't they seem inclined to course correct. If they don't have an off switch in the WWDC developer betas, that would be a bug for everyone to report via Feedback Assistant.

lstamour 5y ago

If Apple re-uses iCloud Private Relay for this feature, which they might or might not be doing, then there are actually two entities involved and Apple presumably knows what user made the request but not what URL was requested: https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/10/how-apple-icloud-private-relay-works https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/10/how-apple-icloud-...

_hyn3 5y ago

This is absolutely correct. Because you can connect Apple Mail to non-Apple servers, they are missing out on a lot of telemetry that Gmail gets by default (because it already goes through Gmail's servers.) This gives them an excuse to proxy non-Apple email. (on another note, it sure seems like most of Apple's moves are dual-purpose now, and I don't think that was the case in the days of Jobs.) However, I'd like to see the Privacy Policy (if it's available and in plain English) for this feature before concluding that they're not immediately discarding this data (or even just where I get my mail from, which is also very useful information to further lock me in.)