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No , he is right, free hong Kong , free Taiwan , free Tibet , free Uyghurs , and free to all the oppressed people from totalitarisms , and also free Chinese peo
by fvv 5y ago
No , he is right, free hong Kong , free Taiwan , free Tibet , free Uyghurs , and free to all the oppressed people from totalitarisms , and also free Chinese people with a free election , free Russians, north Koreans , Egyptians ,.. , give free elections and information from those peoples, free China from ccp propaganda so you can also be free
- xtian 5y agoYou left out Julian Assange, the Puerto Rican people, the Hawaiian people, the people of Okinawa, all the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, the Native Americans…
- zepto 5y agoAll valid, but what have these to do with Xinjiang?
- xtian 5y agoWhat do “Russians, north Koreans , Egyptians ,.. ,” have to do with Xinjiang?
- zepto 5y agoThey don’t have anything to do with Xinjiang. But you seem to be evading the point. As far as I can see, you think the reports are lies but you have presented literally no evidence to support this claim. Everything else you mention is simply a well known list of negative statements about the US that are indeed bad, but not directly relevant. How about you list some negatives about China and the CCP that would lend credence to the claims about Xinjiang?
- xtian 5y agoThere’s plenty of evidence here: https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang It’s up to you whether you think it casts reasonable doubt on the claims of US corporate-owned media.
- zepto 5y agoSo it seems like you have nothing bad to say about China that could lend credence to any of the reports. The only story you want to tell is that Xinjiang is a fiction made up by US interests.
- xtian 5y agoWhy do I need to say something bad about China? I’m a US citizen. That’s the only country I have any chance of impacting through criticism.
- zepto 5y agoBecause your claim is that the US is lying about Xinjiang and your argument is based solely on its political interest and its reputation. If we are evaluating the claims on that basis, we need to include China’s national interest and reputation too. The us may have reasons for lying but so may the CCP. If we are interested in the truth we must consider both. > impacting through criticism. Because the criticism needs to be accurate in order to be meaningful.
- xtian 5y ago> Because your claim is that the US is lying about Xinjiang and your argument is based solely on its political interest and its reputation. No it’s not. Here’s some more evidence: https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1367632236007202819 https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1367632236007202819
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoNot all valid. Not Hawaii. The native Hawaiians majority voted for statehood. (I questioned this, here on HN a few days ago. Data was, I forget, something like 93% vote for statehood, and 50+ of population was native. There's no way you can work that into the majority of the native population being opposed.)
- wolverine876 5y ago> the Puerto Rican people, the Hawaiian people, the people of Okinawa They are like people in Xinjiang? I didn't know they were being tortured, sent to re-education camps, and forcibly sterilized (among many other things). You don't seem to care about people in Xinjiang? Don't you care that these widely reported abuses, from many different sources, have a strong possibility of being true? Why are Chinese government officials apparently so important to you that you don't seem to even consider the welfare of these people? You could do a lot for them, a lot for the world, by standing up for them.
- xtian 5y agoI do care about the people in Xinjiang so I don’t dispute the Western claims lightly. I looked into them extensively before taking any stance. It was one of the first questions I had when I started trying to learn more about China. I have complete confidence about the side of history I’m on.
- fvv 5y agohe is from the 50cent party he doesn't even recognize the argument of the topic.. he is just trying to divert conversation elsewere so people doesn't watch
- wolverine876 5y agoThat may be, and I'm aware of the 50-centers, but xtian is also human like the rest of us. That's who I'm talking to.
- CryptoPunk 5y agoAnd free every one in prison for income tax evasion or for acting as a money transmitter without a money transmitter license, and then abolish the income tax, the inheritance tax, the sales tax, lockdowns, and all regulatory restrictions on voluntary interactions between consenting adults, including those imposed by the OSHA, CPSC, EEOC, NLRB, SEC, FinCEN, FDA, and USDA.
- fvv 5y agoLet's start from the important things than we will discuss other argument people that doesn't want important thing done use to dilute the discussions ok ?
- CryptoPunk 5y agoPeople in China might not think allowing Hong Kong or Tibet to secede is important. We can't start with those things that the majority of public opinion is in support of to make the world free. It is precisely forms of repression that the majority of public opinion supports that are the most sticky. And by engaging in introspection, and seeing what kinds of repression we have rationalized and normalized in the West, we can create and test strategies to find ones that are effective at convincing people to stop being complacent in the face of popularly supported repression.