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> So you want a mechanical door lock, manual windows, no car stereo, no power steering, no thermostat, no cruise control, etc... I think an extremely small min

> So you want a mechanical door lock, manual windows, no car stereo, no power steering, no thermostat, no cruise control, etc... I think an extremely small minority of people who want a "dumb" car don't want those features. I feel like you're just making up a strawman here. It's pretty clear (at least to me), that the people who want a dumb car are talking about things integrating with your phone or being displayed on a touch screen. I think anything that existed 20 years ago is not regarded as dumb by basically anybody.

Goronmon 5y ago
I feel like you're just making up a strawman here. It's pretty clear (at least to me), that the people who want a dumb car are talking about things integrating with your phone or being displayed on a touch screen. Personally, I really enjoy that with our new van I can listen to a podcast/music through Bluetooth and pause/resume playback through a simple touchscreen without having to fiddle with my phone directly.
- CogitoCogito 5y ago
  > Personally, I really enjoy that with our new van I can listen to a podcast/music through Bluetooth and pause/resume playback through a simple touchscreen without having to fiddle with my phone directly. I'm not sure what your point is. I never said that no one wants these features. Obviously there are many that do.
- holoduke 5y ago
  Attach your phone to a holder. Buy a Bluetooth adapter from AliExpress and your good to go with any car
  - hallway_monitor 5y ago
    Exactly. I don't see why a screen attached to the car is somehow superior to the native screen I've been using for years; just put it somewhere accessible. I've found that the CD player mounted phone holders are insanely convenient in almost every car.
drdavid 5y ago
It has been a long time since you could get a truly bespoke car from a major manufacturer in a reasonable price segment. But, you used to be able to order all sorts of stuff - or not order it. For example, you could save a few hundred bucks by not having a rear bumper, not having a radio, opting for manual windows and transmission, opting for no cruise control, etc... There were a multitude of options and you could add/delete most anything you wanted. These days, it's down to packages and colors. Often, you can't even mix packages and trying to get manually controlled windows will usually get you laughed at.
- kingsuper20 5y ago
  Fun fact. On export first gen Camaro you could save a few bucks by ordering them with seat belt delete (A48 option).
  - drdavid 5y ago
    Indeed. Before safety belts were mandatory, they were optional on many models.
bingidingi 5y ago
I'd actually like manual windows and no cruise control, I've had both fail on me many times.
slg 5y ago
I think you are missing the point. The problem is what do those features mean? Is the stereo just an AM/FM radio? Does it have a CD player? A CD changer (how many people even buy CDs anymore)? Does it get satellite radio? Does it have AUX input? Does it have Bluetooth? Is there an interface to communicate to the the Bluetooth device (people driving around controlling their stereo from their phone is more dangerous than people doing the same on their car's touchscreen)? Can it stream music without a Bluetooth connection? Does it have Spotify? What about Apple Music? Does it offer handsfree control? And so on. There simply isn't a universal definition of what a "dumb car" would be and not everyone is going to desire the same set of features.
- CogitoCogito 5y ago
  No I think you're missing the point. I never said there was universal definition. I just said that very few people complaining about smart cars are against features like "mechanical door lock, manual windows, no car stereo, no power steering, no thermostat, no cruise control"...
  - slg 5y ago
    I can't speak directly for OP, but I think the specific part you are quoting was being facetious. No one would consider power windows as a "smart" feature. But where is the line between a smart power window and a dumb power window? For example, are they just simple windows with an up and down button? Are there options for disabling the window buttons in the back seat for child safety? Are there options for the back seat windows to only go down halfway? Will the windows go down completely with one touch or do you have to hold the button? Can you set the windows to close when you turn off the ignition or lock the car? You might not care about any of those features, but some people will. That is what leads to bloat.

Goronmon 5y ago

I feel like you're just making up a strawman here. It's pretty clear (at least to me), that the people who want a dumb car are talking about things integrating with your phone or being displayed on a touch screen. Personally, I really enjoy that with our new van I can listen to a podcast/music through Bluetooth and pause/resume playback through a simple touchscreen without having to fiddle with my phone directly.

CogitoCogito 5y ago
> Personally, I really enjoy that with our new van I can listen to a podcast/music through Bluetooth and pause/resume playback through a simple touchscreen without having to fiddle with my phone directly. I'm not sure what your point is. I never said that no one wants these features. Obviously there are many that do.
holoduke 5y ago
Attach your phone to a holder. Buy a Bluetooth adapter from AliExpress and your good to go with any car
- hallway_monitor 5y ago
  Exactly. I don't see why a screen attached to the car is somehow superior to the native screen I've been using for years; just put it somewhere accessible. I've found that the CD player mounted phone holders are insanely convenient in almost every car.

drdavid 5y ago

It has been a long time since you could get a truly bespoke car from a major manufacturer in a reasonable price segment. But, you used to be able to order all sorts of stuff - or not order it. For example, you could save a few hundred bucks by not having a rear bumper, not having a radio, opting for manual windows and transmission, opting for no cruise control, etc... There were a multitude of options and you could add/delete most anything you wanted. These days, it's down to packages and colors. Often, you can't even mix packages and trying to get manually controlled windows will usually get you laughed at.

kingsuper20 5y ago
Fun fact. On export first gen Camaro you could save a few bucks by ordering them with seat belt delete (A48 option).
- drdavid 5y ago
  Indeed. Before safety belts were mandatory, they were optional on many models.

bingidingi 5y ago

I'd actually like manual windows and no cruise control, I've had both fail on me many times.

slg 5y ago

I think you are missing the point. The problem is what do those features mean? Is the stereo just an AM/FM radio? Does it have a CD player? A CD changer (how many people even buy CDs anymore)? Does it get satellite radio? Does it have AUX input? Does it have Bluetooth? Is there an interface to communicate to the the Bluetooth device (people driving around controlling their stereo from their phone is more dangerous than people doing the same on their car's touchscreen)? Can it stream music without a Bluetooth connection? Does it have Spotify? What about Apple Music? Does it offer handsfree control? And so on. There simply isn't a universal definition of what a "dumb car" would be and not everyone is going to desire the same set of features.

CogitoCogito 5y ago
No I think you're missing the point. I never said there was universal definition. I just said that very few people complaining about smart cars are against features like "mechanical door lock, manual windows, no car stereo, no power steering, no thermostat, no cruise control"...
- slg 5y ago
  I can't speak directly for OP, but I think the specific part you are quoting was being facetious. No one would consider power windows as a "smart" feature. But where is the line between a smart power window and a dumb power window? For example, are they just simple windows with an up and down button? Are there options for disabling the window buttons in the back seat for child safety? Are there options for the back seat windows to only go down halfway? Will the windows go down completely with one touch or do you have to hold the button? Can you set the windows to close when you turn off the ignition or lock the car? You might not care about any of those features, but some people will. That is what leads to bloat.