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I am frustrated with music streaming. Whenever an artist or label revokes the right your precious music turns “grey” and when clicked on the “fantastic with ove

by nrvn 5y ago

I am frustrated with music streaming. Whenever an artist or label revokes the right your precious music turns “grey” and when clicked on the “fantastic with over 600 million tracks available” streaming service throws a popup in your face saying “this song is not currently available in your country or region” which I read as “you pay for access to our library, you don’t own anything mate, get lost!” I want to purchase songs and access them in the “cloud” from around the globe and from Mars and I want to own them! Haven’t researched the question. Are there any approaches to throw your library behind authed CDN or aws s3 with a frontend ios/android/desktop app to get rid of those fancy subscription models?!

wodenokoto 5y ago
If you buy the songs on iTunes, you get to access them from the cloud and backup the actual audio files to whatever local or cloud storage you want. All iTunes songs are DRM free and available from the cloud on all devices that can run apple music. https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-the-itunes-store-mus3e2346c2/mac#gloscb359cf0 https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-the-itunes-st...
- Qerub 5y ago
  You don't even have to buy the songs on iTunes to have Apple stream them to all your devices. With iTunes Match (included with Apple Music subscriptions or available stand-alone) you can build a "cloud library" from local files: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146
  - geerlingguy 5y ago
    This is how I manage my music library, and other than the fact that iTunes Match could potentially 'eat up' a song you import into it if it matches to a different but similar-name/time track, it's been great. I always keep a second copy of all my original rips just because I'm worried that kind of thing could happen—if not immediately, then later on when I sync a new computer and iTunes Match finds some new song that conflicts.
  - lloeki 5y ago
    Watch out, iTunes Match and the Apple Music match service are subtly different: the former will match to (and failing that, upload, transcoding to AAC 256 if needed) DRM-free versions, while the latter will match to/upload for sure but downloading them on another device (or the same if you delete the source file) will get you a FairPlay protected file.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> Are there any approaches to throw your library behind authed CDN or aws s3 with a frontend ios/android/desktop app to get rid of those fancy subscription models?! You can use an S3 compatible storage provider and either mount it via NFS[1] or s3fs[2], and point Jellyfin to it. [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/storagegateway/latest/userguide/CreatingAnNFSFileShare.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/storagegateway/latest/userguide/... [2] https://github.com/s3fs-fuse/s3fs-fuse https://github.com/s3fs-fuse/s3fs-fuse
- joshspankit 5y ago
  Do watch out for automated scans. Plex, for example (side-eye glare) will automatically scan your music library regularly and rack up your costs. I was spending $30/mo before I tracked it down without help from official sources. I now pay $2.50/mo for always-accessible music. But I’m still in the comments looking at alternatives.
  - dangravell 5y ago
    Although - if you host Plex in EC2 in the same availability zone, that's not a problem is it?
    - joshspankit 5y ago
      Yes, technically if you have free traffic between your storage blocks and your Plex instance then the excess scanning won’t affect you, but I’m using B2.
NegativeLatency 5y ago
Plex is pretty solid, I run it on a low power Linux box at home with a few hard drives of media. It’s great for sharing with friends and stuff too. Has decent mobile apps, but haven’t used it much for music.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  +1 for Plex. I can access it from anywhere on all of my devices and I own all of the media.
  - jbscpa 5y ago
    "...and I own all of the media" This.Yes.This.
  - branon 5y ago
    But do you _really_ own all of your media when Plex, a proprietary black box, is acting as gatekeeper, and requires authentication with a Plex, Inc. account to gain access? My biases are clear, just food for thought.
    - esyir 5y ago
      Yes, because I can always play it from the NAS. They're the interface.
    - NegativeLatency 5y ago
      I’d drop them for other options if they became a bad choice
    - Saris 5y ago
      Yes absolutely, plex is just the player. All the media is still files stored where you want, and you can use another player any time.
    - Ir0nMan 5y ago
      >But do you _really_ own all of your media Yes, 100%. The media is stored locally on your own hard drive. Plex is just the player.
napkin 5y ago
Yes! I purchase music from Bandcamp, where everything can be downloaded DRM-free. https://bandcamp.com/ https://bandcamp.com/ I have a VPS with Navidrome as a web streamer/front-end. Navidrome also provides an API compatible with Subsonic. https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome For iOS, play:Sub has a pretty nice UI, streams everything from the server, transcoded on-the-fly from FLAC to Opus. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/play-sub-music-streamer/id955329386 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/play-sub-music-streamer/id9553... It's quite a joy to use and it feels good that the artists (especially lesser known) get paid more than through spotify/apple. I also throw a little bit of money at the Navidrome dev every month.
627467 5y ago
Does that ever happen on YouTube? One reason I prefer YouTube premium to Spotify: I can always rely on someone else (other than artist) to have uploaded any song in existence to YouTube.
- ryanjshaw 5y ago
  It happens all the time on YT Music. While you can often find the same song uploaded as a video by somebody, the possibility of it happening means you can't trust your playlist. Slightly related, right now I have a song that consistently plays but brings back a 404 if I click "go to album" -- this is a song whose official YT video has 7M views, so it's surprising the metadata isn't working but does say something about YT Music data quality.

by nrvn 5y ago

wodenokoto 5y ago

If you buy the songs on iTunes, you get to access them from the cloud and backup the actual audio files to whatever local or cloud storage you want. All iTunes songs are DRM free and available from the cloud on all devices that can run apple music. https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-the-itunes-store-mus3e2346c2/mac#gloscb359cf0 https://support.apple.com/guide/music/intro-to-the-itunes-st...

Qerub 5y ago
You don't even have to buy the songs on iTunes to have Apple stream them to all your devices. With iTunes Match (included with Apple Music subscriptions or available stand-alone) you can build a "cloud library" from local files: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204146
- geerlingguy 5y ago
  This is how I manage my music library, and other than the fact that iTunes Match could potentially 'eat up' a song you import into it if it matches to a different but similar-name/time track, it's been great. I always keep a second copy of all my original rips just because I'm worried that kind of thing could happen—if not immediately, then later on when I sync a new computer and iTunes Match finds some new song that conflicts.
- lloeki 5y ago
  Watch out, iTunes Match and the Apple Music match service are subtly different: the former will match to (and failing that, upload, transcoding to AAC 256 if needed) DRM-free versions, while the latter will match to/upload for sure but downloading them on another device (or the same if you delete the source file) will get you a FairPlay protected file.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> Are there any approaches to throw your library behind authed CDN or aws s3 with a frontend ios/android/desktop app to get rid of those fancy subscription models?! You can use an S3 compatible storage provider and either mount it via NFS[1] or s3fs[2], and point Jellyfin to it. [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/storagegateway/latest/userguide/CreatingAnNFSFileShare.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/storagegateway/latest/userguide/... [2] https://github.com/s3fs-fuse/s3fs-fuse https://github.com/s3fs-fuse/s3fs-fuse

joshspankit 5y ago
Do watch out for automated scans. Plex, for example (side-eye glare) will automatically scan your music library regularly and rack up your costs. I was spending $30/mo before I tracked it down without help from official sources. I now pay $2.50/mo for always-accessible music. But I’m still in the comments looking at alternatives.
- dangravell 5y ago
  Although - if you host Plex in EC2 in the same availability zone, that's not a problem is it?
  - joshspankit 5y ago
    Yes, technically if you have free traffic between your storage blocks and your Plex instance then the excess scanning won’t affect you, but I’m using B2.

NegativeLatency 5y ago

Plex is pretty solid, I run it on a low power Linux box at home with a few hard drives of media. It’s great for sharing with friends and stuff too. Has decent mobile apps, but haven’t used it much for music.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
+1 for Plex. I can access it from anywhere on all of my devices and I own all of the media.
- jbscpa 5y ago
  "...and I own all of the media" This.Yes.This.
- branon 5y ago
  But do you _really_ own all of your media when Plex, a proprietary black box, is acting as gatekeeper, and requires authentication with a Plex, Inc. account to gain access? My biases are clear, just food for thought.
  - esyir 5y ago
    Yes, because I can always play it from the NAS. They're the interface.
  - NegativeLatency 5y ago
    I’d drop them for other options if they became a bad choice
  - Saris 5y ago
    Yes absolutely, plex is just the player. All the media is still files stored where you want, and you can use another player any time.
  - Ir0nMan 5y ago
    >But do you _really_ own all of your media Yes, 100%. The media is stored locally on your own hard drive. Plex is just the player.

napkin 5y ago

Yes! I purchase music from Bandcamp, where everything can be downloaded DRM-free. https://bandcamp.com/ https://bandcamp.com/ I have a VPS with Navidrome as a web streamer/front-end. Navidrome also provides an API compatible with Subsonic. https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome https://github.com/navidrome/navidrome For iOS, play:Sub has a pretty nice UI, streams everything from the server, transcoded on-the-fly from FLAC to Opus. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/play-sub-music-streamer/id955329386 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/play-sub-music-streamer/id9553... It's quite a joy to use and it feels good that the artists (especially lesser known) get paid more than through spotify/apple. I also throw a little bit of money at the Navidrome dev every month.

627467 5y ago

Does that ever happen on YouTube? One reason I prefer YouTube premium to Spotify: I can always rely on someone else (other than artist) to have uploaded any song in existence to YouTube.

ryanjshaw 5y ago
It happens all the time on YT Music. While you can often find the same song uploaded as a video by somebody, the possibility of it happening means you can't trust your playlist. Slightly related, right now I have a song that consistently plays but brings back a 404 if I click "go to album" -- this is a song whose official YT video has 7M views, so it's surprising the metadata isn't working but does say something about YT Music data quality.