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Not my entire history, just my history after I learned a little bit about China and realized how many people on this site consider themselves to be intelligent
by xtian 5y ago
Not my entire history, just my history after I learned a little bit about China and realized how many people on this site consider themselves to be intelligent free thinkers but simply regurgitate the pre-packaged US line on anything geopolitical. My only aim is to dissent against the manufacturing of consent for another bloody US war. What’s yours?
- nceqs3 5y agofree hong kong, free taiwan
- xtian 5y agoCase in point
- zepto 5y agoWhat do you mean? It seems like that commenter is just crudely implying that you are an agent of the CCP. I think their comment is unhelpful but it’s not clear what you mean by ‘case in point’.
- xtian 5y agoRegurgitating the pre-packaged US line
- fvv 5y agoNo , he is right, free hong Kong , free Taiwan , free Tibet , free Uyghurs , and free to all the oppressed people from totalitarisms , and also free Chinese people with a free election , free Russians, north Koreans , Egyptians ,.. , give free elections and information from those peoples, free China from ccp propaganda so you can also be free
- xtian 5y agoYou left out Julian Assange, the Puerto Rican people, the Hawaiian people, the people of Okinawa, all the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, the Native Americans…
- zepto 5y agoAll valid, but what have these to do with Xinjiang?
- xtian 5y agoWhat do “Russians, north Koreans , Egyptians ,.. ,” have to do with Xinjiang?
- zepto 5y agoThey don’t have anything to do with Xinjiang. But you seem to be evading the point. As far as I can see, you think the reports are lies but you have presented literally no evidence to support this claim. Everything else you mention is simply a well known list of negative statements about the US that are indeed bad, but not directly relevant. How about you list some negatives about China and the CCP that would lend credence to the claims about Xinjiang?
- xtian 5y agoThere’s plenty of evidence here: https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang It’s up to you whether you think it casts reasonable doubt on the claims of US corporate-owned media.
- zepto 5y agoSo it seems like you have nothing bad to say about China that could lend credence to any of the reports. The only story you want to tell is that Xinjiang is a fiction made up by US interests.
- zepto 5y ago> My only aim is to dissent against the manufacturing of consent for another bloody US war. What has this got to do with whether what is reported about Xinjiang is true or not?
- xtian 5y agoWell NATO-aligned countries seem to be the only ones claiming that it’s true. There’s a pretty clear pattern in US history. Or are you still hoping for Saddam’s WMDs to show up to justify the fact that due to the US’ use of depleted uranium munitions, Fallujah now has one of the highest rates of birth defects, childhood cancer, and multiple cancers in the world?
- zepto 5y agoOk - so you seem to keep quoting bad things about the US and now NATO, but what has this to do with the truth of what is happening in Xinjiang? Are you claiming the reports are lies? Obviously the CCP and anyone they have influence over will want to play the reports down.
- xtian 5y agoThere are plenty of reports that conflict with those coming out of the US media, and plenty of conflicts of interest (at the very least) in the sources of those reports. What do you make of these two pieces of CCP propaganda? https://youtube.com/watch?v=AaitXSdjFP8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=AaitXSdjFP8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=4N385vKhXYQ https://youtube.com/watch?v=4N385vKhXYQ
- splithalf 5y agoStand athwart the push of incentives pulling humanity down the slippery slope to Holocaust 2.0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
- pasabagi 5y agoI think even if you are a paid troll, you should probably branch out in your interests. There's no real coherent thread or sense of personality coming out in your commentary - it's just 'argument winners', factoids and framings that push a certain view. And maybe you just like to win more than you like providing clear analysis - I'm certainly sympathetic with the idea of cooling geopolitical tensions, but I think the way you're doing it will never work. (This goes double if you're a paid troll, China is just awful at soft power for structural reasons - a core competence for politicians in a democracy is spin. Trying to astroturf past that is just pissing in the wind.)
- xtian 5y agoI get downvoted for posting undisputed facts that conflict with Western narratives. I would get downvoted even more for my actual analysis. I do like how often people seem to think that the only reason someone might contradict Western narratives if they’re getting paid to do so. I’m just a white dude from Ohio who wants an end to endless war and imperialism.
- bingbong70 5y agoThis notion that everyone skeptical of western defense contractor funded claims is paid by China is a sad evolution of the close minded rebuttals that existed during the Iraq WMD period. There is no counter to this false claim online which is why it is unfortunately effective in shutting down discourse. I guess we are stupid enough to walk into a potential war the same way we were scammed into one not too long ago. We already forgot the lessons as a population.
- zepto 5y ago> This notion that everyone skeptical of western defense contractor funded claims is paid by China … I don’t see anyone saying anything about skepticism or ‘everyone’. I see pasabagi criticizing xtian’s specific comments and approach. > I guess we are stupid enough to walk into a potential war the same way we were scammed into one not too long ago. We already forgot the lessons as a population. Yes, getting scammed into a war with China would be bad. Assuming any negative comment about China to be an attempt to scam us into a war also seems like a mistake.
- AnimalMuppet 5y agoMy aim is the truth, and decent human morals. If China is doing evil, morally repugnant, inhumane things in Xinjiang, then I'm going to say, as clearly as I can, that China is doing evil, morally repugnant, inhumane things in Xinjiang. And I'm not going to sugar-coat it because people have said similar things in the past as part of a push for war.
- sudosysgen 5y agoThere is sugar coating it, and there is exaggerating it beyond what is likely true in a way that will enable even more evil without actually making things any better. Let's not pretend that it's because people have said similar things before as part of a push for war. It's because the same people, and literal defence contractors, are behind much of this information, coinciding exactly with a push for war.
- dang 5y agoPlease keep such boilerplate flamewar rhetoric off HN. It just leads to the lamest, nastiest sort of internet dreck. We're trying for at least not the bottom of the barrel here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I realize that strong feelings are usually what drives grandiose rhetoric but that's not enough.