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> There’s no way the hardware on my car is the limiting factor I'm not sure why you'd make that assumption. The newer models that can do more may very well hav

> There’s no way the hardware on my car is the limiting factor I'm not sure why you'd make that assumption. The newer models that can do more may very well have more/better sensors, faster processor(s), more RAM, etc. Just because the interior and exterior look the same doesn't mean that everything else is the same too.

kbos87 5y ago
I think the point stands that there is probably a ton most manufacturers could do in terms of over the air updates with existing hardware that they just don’t.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  I see that as a separate and larger point, but it is true. The reasons for it are also more complex than "they just don't" though they aren't technological reasons.
DSingularity 5y ago
They will get sued for this one day.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  For what? Putting better stuff in newer models? That's how basically every product works.
  - DSingularity 5y ago
    For not being transparent with consumers. What will happen when one day you turn on your Tesla and it relays a message to you that FSD is disabled because you are missing hardware required by the new version?
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      Well a lawsuit would be 100% justified in that case. I think the far more likely scenario is that Tesla would release an update that simply wouldn't apply to vehicles with the missing hardware, which would stay back on the older version.
      - DSingularity 5y ago
        You are exactly right. And then they will eventually depreciate old cars because if google can’t maintain android development for old phones why do you think Tesla will be able to do it for old cars?
cactus2093 5y ago
I guess I can't know for sure about any one particular feature. But as far as I can tell, the company doesn't ever backport any smart/autonomous features to older models. Whereas Tesla manages to do this continuously, and years earlier than other brands. I doubt that every single incremental improvement to one of these features relies on brand new hardware or sensors that was not available the year before. Some of them are clearly just software improvements.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  Tesla builds their cars with this in mind, and pretty much nobody else does. Even for updates that are purely software, that software may not even be updatable without physical access to the module(s) that run it. The idea of a car you bought being updated new features from the manufacturer down the road didn't even exist until Tesla. The legacy car manufacturers can't just turn on a dime and start doing the same thing for many reasons, ranging from accounting and contractual issues to actual technological ones. None of it is as simple as it may seem.
  - cactus2093 5y ago
    I'm sure these are the same kinds of excuses the execs within the company give as to why they can't do what Tesla is doing. And that's part of why Hyundai stock is up ~30% over the past 5 years and Tesla is up over 1000%.

kbos87 5y ago

I think the point stands that there is probably a ton most manufacturers could do in terms of over the air updates with existing hardware that they just don’t.

jaywalk 5y ago
I see that as a separate and larger point, but it is true. The reasons for it are also more complex than "they just don't" though they aren't technological reasons.

DSingularity 5y ago

They will get sued for this one day.

jaywalk 5y ago
For what? Putting better stuff in newer models? That's how basically every product works.
- DSingularity 5y ago
  For not being transparent with consumers. What will happen when one day you turn on your Tesla and it relays a message to you that FSD is disabled because you are missing hardware required by the new version?
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    Well a lawsuit would be 100% justified in that case. I think the far more likely scenario is that Tesla would release an update that simply wouldn't apply to vehicles with the missing hardware, which would stay back on the older version.
    - DSingularity 5y ago
      You are exactly right. And then they will eventually depreciate old cars because if google can’t maintain android development for old phones why do you think Tesla will be able to do it for old cars?

cactus2093 5y ago

I guess I can't know for sure about any one particular feature. But as far as I can tell, the company doesn't ever backport any smart/autonomous features to older models. Whereas Tesla manages to do this continuously, and years earlier than other brands. I doubt that every single incremental improvement to one of these features relies on brand new hardware or sensors that was not available the year before. Some of them are clearly just software improvements.

jaywalk 5y ago
Tesla builds their cars with this in mind, and pretty much nobody else does. Even for updates that are purely software, that software may not even be updatable without physical access to the module(s) that run it. The idea of a car you bought being updated new features from the manufacturer down the road didn't even exist until Tesla. The legacy car manufacturers can't just turn on a dime and start doing the same thing for many reasons, ranging from accounting and contractual issues to actual technological ones. None of it is as simple as it may seem.
- cactus2093 5y ago
  I'm sure these are the same kinds of excuses the execs within the company give as to why they can't do what Tesla is doing. And that's part of why Hyundai stock is up ~30% over the past 5 years and Tesla is up over 1000%.