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So is this an available product? Everyone hates 'contact sales' 'get a demo' websites - what's the price, what's the spec, where can I order?

eb0la 5y ago
It is essentially a B2B for a deep-pocket kind of customer. Think energy, defense, or a big financial company (or fund). If you can calculate and iterate fast something you want to build / identify where it is feasible to drill / etc. then the price of this is peanuts compared with doing the wrong thing (tm).
mhh__ 5y ago
These types of monster-chips are probably sold as part of a solution for a specific problem so they probably don't actually have a fixed price in the sense that no one buys just a chip.
chmod775 5y ago
Since this chip is a whole wafer we can make some back-off the-envelope calculations. Let's pretend this was an Intel product and Intel's typical yield was like 150 CPUs / wafer. Using high-end Intel CPUs as a price-point, we would already be in the $300,000 price range for this chip. But this isn't an Intel product and not made at scale, more likely to-order. Further they don't just sell you the wafer/chip, but a complete solution. They have to recoup development costs with much fewer units sold. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes for $2m - $5m. Edit: The previous generation of this product was sold "for a couple million" according to some voices on the internet.
qayxc 5y ago
Just like IBM mainframes, you won't be able to just "click here to buy" these. They do seem to sell actual systems, though. For several millions a piece, so not exactly a product for the masses.
aseipp 5y ago
It's an eight figure product, so regardless of how you or anyone else on a forum feels about it (I mean, everyone likes to window shop, including me), I suspect their sales pipelines aren't going to be hamstrung by it.
- eb0la 5y ago
  Even at eight figures still makes sense for accurate value at risk calculation. A friend that works in risk management told me a financial institution you must have enough cash 'at rest' to cover your part of your whole VAR. The problem here is VAR is hard to calculate. For a small bank it might be simple, but for a big one exposed to ousands of financial instruments it is not simple... ... and every million that you can have at work counts.
utf_8x 5y ago
It's one of those products where if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

eb0la 5y ago

It is essentially a B2B for a deep-pocket kind of customer. Think energy, defense, or a big financial company (or fund). If you can calculate and iterate fast something you want to build / identify where it is feasible to drill / etc. then the price of this is peanuts compared with doing the wrong thing (tm).

mhh__ 5y ago

These types of monster-chips are probably sold as part of a solution for a specific problem so they probably don't actually have a fixed price in the sense that no one buys just a chip.

chmod775 5y ago

Since this chip is a whole wafer we can make some back-off the-envelope calculations. Let's pretend this was an Intel product and Intel's typical yield was like 150 CPUs / wafer. Using high-end Intel CPUs as a price-point, we would already be in the $300,000 price range for this chip. But this isn't an Intel product and not made at scale, more likely to-order. Further they don't just sell you the wafer/chip, but a complete solution. They have to recoup development costs with much fewer units sold. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes for $2m - $5m. Edit: The previous generation of this product was sold "for a couple million" according to some voices on the internet.

qayxc 5y ago

Just like IBM mainframes, you won't be able to just "click here to buy" these. They do seem to sell actual systems, though. For several millions a piece, so not exactly a product for the masses.

aseipp 5y ago

It's an eight figure product, so regardless of how you or anyone else on a forum feels about it (I mean, everyone likes to window shop, including me), I suspect their sales pipelines aren't going to be hamstrung by it.

eb0la 5y ago
Even at eight figures still makes sense for accurate value at risk calculation. A friend that works in risk management told me a financial institution you must have enough cash 'at rest' to cover your part of your whole VAR. The problem here is VAR is hard to calculate. For a small bank it might be simple, but for a big one exposed to ousands of financial instruments it is not simple... ... and every million that you can have at work counts.

utf_8x 5y ago

It's one of those products where if you have to ask, you can't afford it.