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Apple also abuses push notifications to sell their services so I don’t see this ending any time soon :(

by wilde 5y ago

Ensorceled 5y ago
I can't remember an Apple push notification that wasn't transactional or an update notification (which is also transcational I guess). Do you have an example?
- eloisius 5y ago
  "Helpful" tips when you get a new iPhone for one example. I also think I vaguely remember being very surprised that Photos advertised to me about being able to buy printed photo albums or something like that once? But I may be mis-remembering it with Google Photos.
- jacurtis 5y ago
  They push Apple Music promos from time to time. They also send notifications via the Apple Store app about new product releases. To be fair, they don't ABUSE it to the extent that it happens frequently. But they are still promotional messages I didn't want. I'd say they send 6-8 per year. The Apple "Tips" app sends TONS of messages too. Granted that can be fixed by deleting the app. But people like my Mom still gets those messages to this day because she doesn't realize they are tied to that app and I don't believe they are opt-in, I think they are opt-out, meaning they are enabled on new phones by default (like Messages app and your Phone app). I know everyone here has deleted that app, but I bet most of our parents or children still have it installed and still get those messages. The funny thing about this comment in general is that many people probably don't realize they get notifications from Apple either. But as I mention examples they probably think, "Oh yeah, I've gotten those too". That is the biggest problem. We get so many notifications that many of us simply forget them. You get a notification that the new Macbook Pro is released and you simply read it on the backthread of your brain and dismiss it without much intentional thought. That is how Notifications have become for people. I tried to get my mom to clear up her notifications recently and she simply doesn't think about it anymore. It is just something you deal with if you own a modern phone. It isn't something you control. Like how you don't really control the billboards that you see while commuting to work. You can't disable billboards (other than actively driving to avoid them). But you brain doesn't dwell on them either. You are aware of their presence, but don't expel energy to digest every one. Notifications have become the same way. But they shouldn't be that way. We can (technologically speaking) disable them and the tools to disable them or control them should be granted to smartphone users.
  - elliekelly 5y ago
    Every time I get one of those Apple Music notifications I think there must be a way to turn them off and I spend a few minutes poking around in settings trying to find the toggle before I lose interest. Your comment prompted me to figure it out once and for all! They can indeed be turned off but the setting is hidden pretty well and not at all where I would have expected to find it: 1. Launch the Music app. 2. Select the “For You” tab at the bottom (little heart icon) this will take you to an advertisement page trying to get you to sign up. 3. Towards the top of the page and to the right of “$date For You” there’s a profile icon. Select it to bring up a tab called “Your Account”. 4. Select “notifications” and you can toggle “New Music” off. Oddly enough, mine was toggled off when I checked and I know I’ve gotten these notifications in the very recent past. I wonder if it changed to default-off in a recent update in anticipation of iOS 15’s new “focus” feature and Apple’s newfound commitment to battling notification pollution?
  - Ensorceled 5y ago
    > They push Apple Music promos from time to time. Ah, I have Apple Music, that would explain why I don't see these. Yeah, that ain't right. > That is the biggest problem. We get so many notifications that many of us simply forget them. And it's a game of whac-a-mole to turn them all off. And keep them off.
- wl 5y ago
  I've gotten activity challenge notifications about special events, despite me turning off all notifications for activity.
- wilde 5y ago
  I had to turn these off. They were on by default without permission: https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019/11/04/exclusive-apple-accused-of-breaking-own-guidelines-with-apple-tv-push-notifications/ https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019/11/04/exclusive-apple-a...
FearlessNebula 5y ago
When does Apple ever send push notifications other than software updates?
- manmal 5y ago
  For Apple Music: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/18/18229492/apple-music-push-notifications-advertising https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/18/18229492/apple-music-push...
- JrProgrammer 5y ago
  I recently switched from Android to iOS and it irritates me that Apple push their own product multiple times a week. It might be because my account is new but at least once a week I get notifications of the free year of apple tv and apple arcade without any way to disable this (if you guys know of one please respond) Besides the notifications I think it's a dark pattern from Apple to actually show a red number badge above the settings app when there is no actionable item except the two things mentioned above.
  - FearlessNebula 5y ago
    I agree that would be a dark pattern, but you can dismiss the offers and the red badges go away.
  - warrenm 5y ago
    >Apple push their own product multiple times a week I call bs - unless you've invited the notifications I've never gotten such a notification in over a decade of running iOS
warrenm 5y ago
People say this Yet in over a decade of owning iPhones & iPads ... never seen it once

Apple also abuses push notifications to sell their services so I don’t see this ending any time soon :(

by wilde 5y ago

Apple also abuses push notifications to sell their services so I don’t see this ending any time soon :(

I can't remember an Apple push notification that wasn't transactional or an update notification (which is also transcational I guess). Do you have an example?

eloisius 5y ago
"Helpful" tips when you get a new iPhone for one example. I also think I vaguely remember being very surprised that Photos advertised to me about being able to buy printed photo albums or something like that once? But I may be mis-remembering it with Google Photos.
jacurtis 5y ago
They push Apple Music promos from time to time. They also send notifications via the Apple Store app about new product releases. To be fair, they don't ABUSE it to the extent that it happens frequently. But they are still promotional messages I didn't want. I'd say they send 6-8 per year. The Apple "Tips" app sends TONS of messages too. Granted that can be fixed by deleting the app. But people like my Mom still gets those messages to this day because she doesn't realize they are tied to that app and I don't believe they are opt-in, I think they are opt-out, meaning they are enabled on new phones by default (like Messages app and your Phone app). I know everyone here has deleted that app, but I bet most of our parents or children still have it installed and still get those messages. The funny thing about this comment in general is that many people probably don't realize they get notifications from Apple either. But as I mention examples they probably think, "Oh yeah, I've gotten those too". That is the biggest problem. We get so many notifications that many of us simply forget them. You get a notification that the new Macbook Pro is released and you simply read it on the backthread of your brain and dismiss it without much intentional thought. That is how Notifications have become for people. I tried to get my mom to clear up her notifications recently and she simply doesn't think about it anymore. It is just something you deal with if you own a modern phone. It isn't something you control. Like how you don't really control the billboards that you see while commuting to work. You can't disable billboards (other than actively driving to avoid them). But you brain doesn't dwell on them either. You are aware of their presence, but don't expel energy to digest every one. Notifications have become the same way. But they shouldn't be that way. We can (technologically speaking) disable them and the tools to disable them or control them should be granted to smartphone users.
- elliekelly 5y ago
  Every time I get one of those Apple Music notifications I think there must be a way to turn them off and I spend a few minutes poking around in settings trying to find the toggle before I lose interest. Your comment prompted me to figure it out once and for all! They can indeed be turned off but the setting is hidden pretty well and not at all where I would have expected to find it: 1. Launch the Music app. 2. Select the “For You” tab at the bottom (little heart icon) this will take you to an advertisement page trying to get you to sign up. 3. Towards the top of the page and to the right of “$date For You” there’s a profile icon. Select it to bring up a tab called “Your Account”. 4. Select “notifications” and you can toggle “New Music” off. Oddly enough, mine was toggled off when I checked and I know I’ve gotten these notifications in the very recent past. I wonder if it changed to default-off in a recent update in anticipation of iOS 15’s new “focus” feature and Apple’s newfound commitment to battling notification pollution?
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  > They push Apple Music promos from time to time. Ah, I have Apple Music, that would explain why I don't see these. Yeah, that ain't right. > That is the biggest problem. We get so many notifications that many of us simply forget them. And it's a game of whac-a-mole to turn them all off. And keep them off.
wl 5y ago
I've gotten activity challenge notifications about special events, despite me turning off all notifications for activity.
wilde 5y ago
I had to turn these off. They were on by default without permission: https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019/11/04/exclusive-apple-accused-of-breaking-own-guidelines-with-apple-tv-push-notifications/ https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019/11/04/exclusive-apple-a...

FearlessNebula 5y ago

When does Apple ever send push notifications other than software updates?

manmal 5y ago
For Apple Music: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/18/18229492/apple-music-push-notifications-advertising https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/18/18229492/apple-music-push...
JrProgrammer 5y ago
I recently switched from Android to iOS and it irritates me that Apple push their own product multiple times a week. It might be because my account is new but at least once a week I get notifications of the free year of apple tv and apple arcade without any way to disable this (if you guys know of one please respond) Besides the notifications I think it's a dark pattern from Apple to actually show a red number badge above the settings app when there is no actionable item except the two things mentioned above.
- FearlessNebula 5y ago
  I agree that would be a dark pattern, but you can dismiss the offers and the red badges go away.
- warrenm 5y ago
  >Apple push their own product multiple times a week I call bs - unless you've invited the notifications I've never gotten such a notification in over a decade of running iOS

warrenm 5y ago

People say this Yet in over a decade of owning iPhones & iPads ... never seen it once