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> The slowness is the result of people trying to merge into the highway, not "bad drivers". I stand by my point on "bad drivers". It's a well-studied phenomeno

> The slowness is the result of people trying to merge into the highway, not "bad drivers". I stand by my point on "bad drivers". It's a well-studied phenomenon[0] and it's not a matter of opinion. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4m-OJosGaI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4m-OJosGaI

VintageCool 5y ago
That is a mathematical model explaining one type of traffic jam - the "phantom" traffic jam. It can explain a traffic jam on a straight section of highway with no entrances or exits -- but imagine what would happen to that model if a second line of traffic with the same density of cars tried to merge in! According to a 2005 report for the Federal Highway Administration, the leading cause of congestion is bottlenecked infrastructure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_congestion#Causes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_congestion#Causes I used to drive 405 North into Bellevue, WA. In the space of 3 miles, 3 highways merged into 405 North. There was always a traffic jam, every morning. It started at roughly the same spot every morning. It cleared up at roughly the same spot every morning. That was slow traffic caused by the infrastructure.
- BlueDingo 5y ago
  There are definitely roadways and timing that cause the problem you mentioned but the parent poster is also accurate. So many large scale highway slowdowns and jams are caused by bad drivers not utilizing the left lanes causing the accordion effect in the merging lanes and soon the whole road is at a crawl. If the drivers staying in the far right lane didn't do that mindlessly (their exit is not next or soon, why are they there?) or if they actually kept space open ahead of them for the cars they can see are about to merge, these problems would largely evaporate. I'm paraphrasing poorly but, "do things slowly so that they go smoothly. Things done smoothly go fast."

VintageCool 5y ago

That is a mathematical model explaining one type of traffic jam - the "phantom" traffic jam. It can explain a traffic jam on a straight section of highway with no entrances or exits -- but imagine what would happen to that model if a second line of traffic with the same density of cars tried to merge in! According to a 2005 report for the Federal Highway Administration, the leading cause of congestion is bottlenecked infrastructure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_congestion#Causes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_congestion#Causes I used to drive 405 North into Bellevue, WA. In the space of 3 miles, 3 highways merged into 405 North. There was always a traffic jam, every morning. It started at roughly the same spot every morning. It cleared up at roughly the same spot every morning. That was slow traffic caused by the infrastructure.

BlueDingo 5y ago
There are definitely roadways and timing that cause the problem you mentioned but the parent poster is also accurate. So many large scale highway slowdowns and jams are caused by bad drivers not utilizing the left lanes causing the accordion effect in the merging lanes and soon the whole road is at a crawl. If the drivers staying in the far right lane didn't do that mindlessly (their exit is not next or soon, why are they there?) or if they actually kept space open ahead of them for the cars they can see are about to merge, these problems would largely evaporate. I'm paraphrasing poorly but, "do things slowly so that they go smoothly. Things done smoothly go fast."