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> i have a morbid fascination with the 'frontier non-medical drug use' communities I share this interest. I've very little interest in using drugs recreational

> i have a morbid fascination with the 'frontier non-medical drug use' communities I share this interest. I've very little interest in using drugs recreationally myself, but find reading about it oddly fascinating, particularly the novel agents. Taking a chemical when you only have the vaguest idea of what it _may_ do crosses a line I would never want to, but I sympathise with the feeling of wanting to know the effects and being willing to take that risk. > broad cheap availability of novel benzos The RC benzos have always concerned me. I'm prescribed a benzodiazepine (20mg temazepam), and it usually induces a mild feeling of wanting more, even though there are no noticeable recreational effects at that dose (at least for me). None of the opiates I've ever been prescribed have done the same, for comparison. It felt obvious to me that using the novel benzos without medical oversight could easily lead to a rapidly escalating problem. A while ago I saw a poster seeking a synthesis for a benzo they claimed did not cause tolerance, and my first thought was this can only end poorly. I don't believe there was ever a follow-up post, but I sincerely hope they avoided any problems.

cwkoss 5y ago
Well, to share some of my favorite morbid findings: --- Melanotan is a peptide that increases skin pigmentation. Some people have tested it to the extreme, and the pictures are some combination of funny, terrifying and "at what point is this racially offensive blackface?". Also supposedly causes erections similarly to sildenafil . https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3gxjem/before_and_after_photos_of_a_man_injecting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3gxjem/before_and_afte... --- The etizolam not wokrign meme https://www.google.com/search?q=etizolam+not+working+reddit https://www.google.com/search?q=etizolam+not+working+reddit Unfortunately can't find the original post, but when this benzo was easy to buy, there were frequent threads for a while from different users who were complaining that they weren't feeling the effects... often with many spelling errors that led many commenters to be pretty sure that it was working just fine and the posters are just not aware of how intoxicated they are. Became a bit of a meme. Kind of like the 'roofie circle' Gob story arc from arrested development, it seems very common that people will take some, forget they took it once it kicks in, take more, forget, and so on. When you can order 1000 doses for the price of a paycheck, it leads to very bad outcomes. Often these stories end up with people blacking out for weeks or months at a time, destroying personal relationships, property and their careers, and only regain awareness after weeks in jail or a hospital. Pretty scary stuff. Also, several stories from people buying time locked safes so they don't redose, blacking out, and finding their timelocked safe destroyed and empty. --- Cops arrest guy with RCs, etizolam and a mescaline derivative. Cop "accidentally" gets some on his lips (probably thought it was heroin and had a dip?) and gets sent to the infirmary tripping. Suspect is released when the substances turn out to be legal (but not for long - possibly in part because of this incident) https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/fpery3/caught_with_etizolam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/fpery3/c... --- The stories about "bath salts" pyrovalerones like aPVP and MDPV are quite insane. Extremely potent and addictive. These are like the fentanyls of the stimulant class and propel users into psychosis with relative ease. Like, compressing the effects of a 2-week meth binge into a single weekend, with all of the negatives that come along with that. I believe the report of the florida man who ate someone's face off was under the influence of one of these. https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=101129 https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=101129 http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2011/05/man-high-on-bath-salts-found-wearing-lingerie-next-to-dead-goat/ http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2011/05/man-high-on-bath-salt... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
- stordoff 5y ago
  > often with many spelling errors that led many commenters to be pretty sure that it was working just fine "i'm not high, i can do perfecly things functionally" pretty much sums that up - https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/67g4a7/etizolam_not_working/ https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/67g4a7/e... ("my memory is semi crystal clear" is also a great claim)
- herbst 5y ago
  When MDPV made rounds in my friends circle, and someone found interest in the substance it always ended in some kind of increasingly paranoid flash until some dramatic breakup 2-3 weeks later. Like one that took a train driving for hours out of the country getting increasingly paranoid until he found himself, phone and money somehow lost, on the trains toilet to flush down a lot of MDPV (literally thousands of doses) and then took weeks to recover from the substance. And even a few days until they found a way to get home. I took it a few times and honestly enjoyed it, my world started to glitter basically, however I dosed carefully and never took a second hit.
  - cwkoss 5y ago
    Glad you were able to keep it moderate. I think it would be a very interesting (and horribly unethical) hypothetical test to lock individuals in a their own rooms with sustenance, entertainment, and a baggies of moreish substances, force them to dose a few times, and then leave them for several days and see how much remains at a the end. Maybe offer a cash prize based on weight remaining. I think this could likely measure executive control, long-term thinking and willpower pretty effectively. That you were able to dabble without sliding down the slippery slope probably indicates something positive about your mental fortitude.

cwkoss 5y ago

Well, to share some of my favorite morbid findings: --- Melanotan is a peptide that increases skin pigmentation. Some people have tested it to the extreme, and the pictures are some combination of funny, terrifying and "at what point is this racially offensive blackface?". Also supposedly causes erections similarly to sildenafil . https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3gxjem/before_and_after_photos_of_a_man_injecting/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/3gxjem/before_and_afte... --- The etizolam not wokrign meme https://www.google.com/search?q=etizolam+not+working+reddit https://www.google.com/search?q=etizolam+not+working+reddit Unfortunately can't find the original post, but when this benzo was easy to buy, there were frequent threads for a while from different users who were complaining that they weren't feeling the effects... often with many spelling errors that led many commenters to be pretty sure that it was working just fine and the posters are just not aware of how intoxicated they are. Became a bit of a meme. Kind of like the 'roofie circle' Gob story arc from arrested development, it seems very common that people will take some, forget they took it once it kicks in, take more, forget, and so on. When you can order 1000 doses for the price of a paycheck, it leads to very bad outcomes. Often these stories end up with people blacking out for weeks or months at a time, destroying personal relationships, property and their careers, and only regain awareness after weeks in jail or a hospital. Pretty scary stuff. Also, several stories from people buying time locked safes so they don't redose, blacking out, and finding their timelocked safe destroyed and empty. --- Cops arrest guy with RCs, etizolam and a mescaline derivative. Cop "accidentally" gets some on his lips (probably thought it was heroin and had a dip?) and gets sent to the infirmary tripping. Suspect is released when the substances turn out to be legal (but not for long - possibly in part because of this incident) https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/fpery3/caught_with_etizolam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/fpery3/c... --- The stories about "bath salts" pyrovalerones like aPVP and MDPV are quite insane. Extremely potent and addictive. These are like the fentanyls of the stimulant class and propel users into psychosis with relative ease. Like, compressing the effects of a 2-week meth binge into a single weekend, with all of the negatives that come along with that. I believe the report of the florida man who ate someone's face off was under the influence of one of these. https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=101129 https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=101129 http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2011/05/man-high-on-bath-salts-found-wearing-lingerie-next-to-dead-goat/ http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2011/05/man-high-on-bath-salt... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack

stordoff 5y ago
> often with many spelling errors that led many commenters to be pretty sure that it was working just fine "i'm not high, i can do perfecly things functionally" pretty much sums that up - https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/67g4a7/etizolam_not_working/ https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/67g4a7/e... ("my memory is semi crystal clear" is also a great claim)
herbst 5y ago
When MDPV made rounds in my friends circle, and someone found interest in the substance it always ended in some kind of increasingly paranoid flash until some dramatic breakup 2-3 weeks later. Like one that took a train driving for hours out of the country getting increasingly paranoid until he found himself, phone and money somehow lost, on the trains toilet to flush down a lot of MDPV (literally thousands of doses) and then took weeks to recover from the substance. And even a few days until they found a way to get home. I took it a few times and honestly enjoyed it, my world started to glitter basically, however I dosed carefully and never took a second hit.
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Glad you were able to keep it moderate. I think it would be a very interesting (and horribly unethical) hypothetical test to lock individuals in a their own rooms with sustenance, entertainment, and a baggies of moreish substances, force them to dose a few times, and then leave them for several days and see how much remains at a the end. Maybe offer a cash prize based on weight remaining. I think this could likely measure executive control, long-term thinking and willpower pretty effectively. That you were able to dabble without sliding down the slippery slope probably indicates something positive about your mental fortitude.