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At 8.50/hr, that gives you about ~53,000 miles of autonomous range for the same price as Tesla's add-on price for "full self driving ($10k surcharge). To me, a
by balls187 5y ago
At 8.50/hr, that gives you about ~53,000 miles of autonomous range for the same price as Tesla's add-on price for "full self driving ($10k surcharge).
To me, an upfront $10,000 surcharge seems less scammy than what VW is offering, despite it likely being cheaper over the lifetime of the vehicle.
- HWR_14 5y agoI consider Tesla's $10,000 surcharge (that may reset when you sell the used car) to be quite scammy as well. I doubt I'll ever own a self-driving car, because I will never pay that kind of premium for full self driving. Either on an hourly basis or up front. Frankly, it seems cheaper just not have a car and to hail a cab/uber/lyft whenever I need one.
- murukesh_s 5y agohow about when you see everyone else is enjoying a beer while driving, or in more advanced versions don't even have driving seat.. ? its starting a trend and the price that Tesla and VW put will become the base pricing
- john_minsk 5y agoThat's totally different scenario in my view. This is like comparing robot-vacuum and fully fledged android housekeeper. If it can do 100 and 1 thing - sure you can pay 10k for extra value. TBH it is hard to believe that it is required to have 8 $/h to have autonomous vehicle. Once we have the technology Google will build efficient data center with custom chips and the price will go down to X $/month. On top of it - I think the model will have to run locally, so it would make sense to pay upfront for extra hardware they put in your car and not that much for maintenance. We are just not there yet, we don't have autonomous driving - we have better driver assistants.
- HWR_14 5y ago> how about when you see everyone else is enjoying a beer while driving I'm not such an alcoholic that I would pay $8.50/hr to drink beer on my way to work. And, realistically, we're decades away from being able to drink while AI drives.
- balls187 5y agoI can see that view point. I don't share it, as custom ECM tunes that increase performance (with the same "hardware") have been around for a very long time. Also things like OnStar, and SirisXM Along a similar vein--Nvidia artificially limiting hashrates on some of it's consumer GPU's.
- HWR_14 5y agoI'm not too upset about locking upgrades behind software fences. I am upset if that means I cannot install my own version of that software (both 3rd party ECM tunes and NVidia drivers are available.) And OnStar and SirisXM are both subscriptions with continuing costs for the company that supply them I am far more upset with: A) Subscription fees for software in general. B) Tesla's autopilot code reseting when the Tesla is sold. Both directions, the new purchaser has to buy it again, the old owner has to buy it again on a new Tesla. C) Tesla conning people into paying 10,000 for cruise control plus, because people think it is Level 5 even though it falls far short of that. And any version hitting close to Level 5 is almost certainly going to require sensors that your car didn't have, so buy it again on a new car.
- bagacrap 5y agoit would take me quite a few years to rack up 53000 miles so I'll take that 10k and invest it, thank you, and probably will still be ahead after 10 years
- balls187 5y agoWhy not avoid a car all together, and invest the ~$50,000 then? Even though VW's solution may be cheaper for many, the way it's being portrayed feels more scammy.