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>Its now all about "How does this project help me and make my life convenient as a developer" rather than "How does this project help software users like me" I

by zxzax 5y ago

>Its now all about "How does this project help me and make my life convenient as a developer" rather than "How does this project help software users like me" I don't think this is a new thing, or something that is necessarily correlated. I've seen plenty of old open source projects that are totally obtuse and obscure to everyone but the developer -- having that attitude is not mutually exclusive with being a FOSS enthusiast. Probably more people are developing this stuff for money now, but that's a different thing from the "selling out" you were talking about. Github didn't change much here if you ask me, in the old days it was Sourceforge, and you can still find a lot of those obscure projects still hosted there.

sangnoir 5y ago
> I don't think this is a new thing, or something that is necessarily correlated. Agreed - it's not new, but its certainly related as it is at the root of the philosophical differences between BSD-style licenses and GPL, and the respective licenses popularity over time support my thesis. Not only are more people developing stuff for money, there are fewer who are developing it to scratch an itch and giving it to the world for free. For a large number of people (too large, if you ask me), the process is now: 1. Author popular open source project 2. ??? 3. Profit Free software used to be a way to avoid exploitation, now developers (and corporations!) are tripping over themselves to exploit the popularity of their FOSS projects - that's what feels like "selling out", because money/control is the goal now. > Github didn't change much here if you ask me, in the old days it was Sourceforge, and you can still find a lot of those obscure projects still hosted there. Git, Github and turn-key CI lowered the bar by a lot! Forking an existing project or getting a new one off the ground is much easier now, which is a blessing and a curse - but mostly a blessing. Building and packaging software by hand (ok, using Makefiles) would filter out all, but the very committed - and that was what you had to do in the Sourceforge era. I didn't say it was impossible in the past, only that the technical (and commitment) bars were much higher
- zxzax 5y ago
  Money and control was always the goal though. Linux has always been popular with sysadmins that used it to run their company's servers so they could, you know, make money. Some of it was invested back. I don't think those big initial investments really came from anywhere else.

by zxzax 5y ago

sangnoir 5y ago

> I don't think this is a new thing, or something that is necessarily correlated. Agreed - it's not new, but its certainly related as it is at the root of the philosophical differences between BSD-style licenses and GPL, and the respective licenses popularity over time support my thesis. Not only are more people developing stuff for money, there are fewer who are developing it to scratch an itch and giving it to the world for free. For a large number of people (too large, if you ask me), the process is now: 1. Author popular open source project 2. ??? 3. Profit Free software used to be a way to avoid exploitation, now developers (and corporations!) are tripping over themselves to exploit the popularity of their FOSS projects - that's what feels like "selling out", because money/control is the goal now. > Github didn't change much here if you ask me, in the old days it was Sourceforge, and you can still find a lot of those obscure projects still hosted there. Git, Github and turn-key CI lowered the bar by a lot! Forking an existing project or getting a new one off the ground is much easier now, which is a blessing and a curse - but mostly a blessing. Building and packaging software by hand (ok, using Makefiles) would filter out all, but the very committed - and that was what you had to do in the Sourceforge era. I didn't say it was impossible in the past, only that the technical (and commitment) bars were much higher

zxzax 5y ago
Money and control was always the goal though. Linux has always been popular with sysadmins that used it to run their company's servers so they could, you know, make money. Some of it was invested back. I don't think those big initial investments really came from anywhere else.