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Maybe I'm not the typical user, but to me reddit seems to be losing sight of why people use the site. They're killing aspects of the community that people actua
by Rebelgecko 5y ago
Maybe I'm not the typical user, but to me reddit seems to be losing sight of why people use the site. They're killing aspects of the community that people actually care about. In the meantime, most of the site's new features seem to be centered around avatars and selling cosmetic microtransactions.
I can't blame them too much for trying to monetize, but I wish their strategies were more inclusive of the way I use reddit
- xanaxagoras 5y agoFor me reddit lost sight of why I used the site about 3 years ago, or maybe that's just when it got bad enough that I no longer felt unsubscribing from all defaults was a suitable solution. There's really nowhere left to hide from the rigorous enforcement of orthodox leftist thought. It's mostly a mutual admiration society where the boundaries of allowed disagreement and interesting discussion may touch here and there but are mostly disjoint sets. Even tech-adjacent subreddits have frequent fits of posturing for the in-crowd. Some of that could be said about HN, but somehow it's different here. Probably because low effort posting is pretty well policed. I'm happy to leave reddit to the adult children stuck in time to talk about superheroes and congratulate each other on being a good person™. Every now and then I miss what it was. Edit: said liberal, meant leftist
- cyanydeez 5y agothey were giving up when in 2015 they allowed bots to push the_donald to the front page consistenly leading to a steady diet of propaganda subs and hate fueled subs. they were and still sre just as myopic is their tainting public discourse in pursuit of social media
- esyir 5y agoThis sounds like "other side politics bad", more than anything else. Reddit's top subs are basically a firehose of propaganda whenever politics are concerned. They've been polluting public discourse for some time, it's just that you only noticed when you didn't agree with said propaganda. For an example, take a look at the murderedbyAOC subreddit. It's literally posts from one guy and used to regularly top /all.
- gundmc 5y agoIt boggles my mind that reddit escapes the scrutiny from the media that Facebook and Twitter get when it's nearly as influential and just as full of blatant propaganda.
- Seattle3503 5y agoWhen you pick your own subreddits there is a case to be made that you chose to see what you see. As reddit goes further down the path of picking what hits the front page, they will get more flak.
- agilob 5y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByAOC/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByAOC/ wow, that's true
- BuyMyBitcoins 5y agoAnd the leftists on Reddit have adopted the same playbook but the admins don’t care to stop it. Whereas the_donald was just one offender, dozens of subreddits manage to spam the same kind of content to the front page. It’s not uncommon to see the exact same submission appear twice on r/all from subreddits like r/AOC and r/ourpresident. Or, they co-opt subreddits like r/murderedbywords, r/facepalm, r/insanepeoplefacebook to constantly submit political messaging, usually screenshots of tweets.
- bmarquez 5y agoI've noticed this in some non-political subreddits, having seen submissions with a political flavor (always left-leaning) get massively upvoted higher than the average usercount of that subreddit and the average upvotes for other submissions on that subreddit. Sometimes I worry when niche subreddits get too popular, since they start getting political submissions.
- Seattle3503 5y agoAt this point, only the porn subreddits are exempt.
- agilob 5y agoNSFW subreddits are now removed from r/popular and r/all.
- cyanydeez 5y agohttps://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-fa...
- kiawe_fire 5y agoI started engaging with Reddit about 3 years ago, right on the verge of things going downhill. So I’m not sure how much of this is normal over Reddit’s whole. But I did notice a shift in the political boards to a mean-spirited alt-left attitude. Whatever, politics are needlessly divisive right now. But as I got more into other subreddits, the same attitude seems to be there too. Make an objective statement even remotely pro-Apple in r/gaming (which I would reasonably assume to be platform-neutral)? Instant dozens of downvotes, with no replies, or if lucky, a reply calling me an Apple sheep. Wander into a cutesy dog subreddit and someone posts a picture of a dog eating a hot dog? Too bad, that post will be downvoted to hell along with a lengthy post about the nitrate content of most hot dogs. There’s just a weird pack mentality sweeping across boards that I would expect to be somewhat forgiving and neutral.
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- ink404 5y agoThese examples sound like the reddit hive mind, which has been there since the early days
- Traster 5y agoI think it’s missing the point to say it’s alt-left. In the Uk side of things it was always true r uk was left and r ukpolitics was right, and then there was a fascinating shift in various ways during election times. But either way the core of the issue was just that whatever the prevailing view is drives out disagreements. Twitter is bad because bubbles form and then they collide causing fights. Reddit solves this by making the bubbles much stronger and ensuring they never collide.
- Seattle3503 5y ago/r/neoliberal was good for a bit, but it has been slipping into typical leftist content since the election.
- lwansbrough 5y ago> There's really nowhere left to hide from the rigorous enforcement of orthodox liberal thought. Leftism (which is what reddit is for the most part) is definitely not orthodox liberalism, for what it’s worth. But reddit’s political discussions have rarely ever progressed past what you might hear in a 9th grade social studies class anyway. Definitely not worth engaging in. And that’s coming from someone who considers themselves a socially progressive liberal.
- xanaxagoras 5y agoGood point! I’m squarely on the right in today’s climate and I think I’m more classically liberal than reddit’s authoritarian left that I had in mind when I wrote that. I suppose I meant to say “orthodox leftist thought”. It’s hard not to get turned around here in opposite world.
- libraryatnight 5y agoWhat does authoritarian left mean?
- rStar 5y agoit means lefties, like myself, who, unlike myself, endorse authoritarianism in service to their goals. for instance many of this type today believe that if they disagree with the views of others enough, those people don’t deserve to speak.
- prepend 5y agoThink soviets but for much less consequential topics (eg, being kicked out of a Facebook group by believing that only some cops are bastards, not ACAB). It’s so banal to experience, but occurs.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 5y agoThe average large subreddit has low quality left wing discourse, and the large conservative subreddits have low quality right wing discourse. I thinking mentioning them by name might ruin them, but there are definitely subreddits out there with a diverse range of political views and good discussion on those topics. I think it’s impossible for large subreddits to maintain reasonable conversation about politics because of the piling-on and brigading behaviors that occur.
- willis936 5y agoHN is not reddit. I wouldn't mention HN by name on reddit for fear of damaging the community. The reverse is not true.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 5y agoFor the same reasons that I wouldn’t mention HN on reddit, I also wouldn’t mention small high-quality subreddits in other parts of reddit, or anywhere public.
- fortran77 5y agoThere's plenty of groups on reddit that talk about HN all the time, like /r/programmingcirclejerk Hacker News manages to survive!
- jayd16 5y ago>There's really nowhere left to hide from the rigorous enforcement of orthodox leftist thought. Whats your thought on sites like voat that were seen as escapes but immediately turned into cesspools and then ghost towns?
- miked85 5y agoVoat turned into a refuge for people on the far right who only wanted to talk politics, 100% of the time. Even if you lean towards that side of the political spectrum, it gets very tiresome.
- nichos 5y agoAgreed, vote became the exact opposite of reddit, far right. Most of America is middle of the road, but online sites are very polarizing. I still wish Usenet would make a comeback.
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- xanaxagoras 5y agoI popped onto voat from time to time pretty much for its entire duration and I saw it become more and more of a cesspool. I think it and sites like it are a consequence of a mainstream internet culture that strictly enforces a toxic ideology on the opposite end of the spectrum. On the one hand it seems dangerous like a fringe radicalization factory of some sort. On the other hand, while it was easier to see on voat because of how shocking the language was, I don't think it was much different from the type of vitriol, hate and close mindedness one encounters daily on r/politics and other defaults.
- CyberRabbi 5y agoI used to think this was purely organic and maybe there’s a chance that it is but I think it’s more likely a major shift like that has happened due to years of intentional ringleading by sock-puppets and shills who have a vested interest in managing public opinion. I think it’s inaccurate to call it “leftist,” I would call it a pro-corporate dissent-intolerant ideology.
- LightG 5y ago> "There's really nowhere left to hide from the rigorous enforcement of orthodox leftist thought." Considering the incredibly wide range of users on Reddit, that's your take away? To be scared enough to leave because you cannot face "leftist" (whatever that even means) thoughts? You're a knob, mate. And I'd say the same to a "leftist" leaving Reddit because "there's no where to hide from right-wing nonsense". Reddit isn't Parler either.
- parafactual 5y agoMost of Reddit is left-of-center though, and prevailing opinions on Reddit can be pushed pretty forcefully. I don't think it's part of a broader problem of "orthodox leftist thought" but of Reddit being a place like no other for cultivating orthodoxy. Maybe they found subreddits that were less left-leaning to either be even worse or too inactive.
- LightG 5y agoAre you seriously telling me that there are not areas on Reddit where people like the OP can ... how can I put this politely ... salve themselves with the gentle, safe caress of their desired echo chamber? I don't buy it.
- parafactual 5y agoMaybe not if OP, despite attributing an importance to "leftist orthodoxy" that I think is silly, does take into account factors beyond Good Side or Bad Side. I could imagine someone finding a subreddit that matches their opinions very well, then leaving it because the culture surrounding those opinions is so toxic.
- dang 5y agoYou've broken the site guidelines here. Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules so we don't have to ban you again? That means thoughtful, substantive comments and curious conversation. No name-calling or personal attacks, etc.
- parafactual 5y agoI think there is something to this, but I don't think it's about "orthodox leftist thought". I am by any reasonable definition a leftist. I find Reddit culture (and similar) insufferable and would not be admired there.
- Miner49er 5y agoThis comment was much more accurate when it said liberal. I consider myself on the left politically and I also hate it's rigorous enforcement of liberal thought. Reddit has banned and ruined leftist subs too you know. Or maybe it's not a political thing, maybe it's the weird elitist culture they have where they think they know better and are better then everyone else.
- ehsankia 5y agoAt least they have still kept old.reddit.com around, which thankfully doesn't have most of the new bullshit. The day they kill that is the day reddit will be truly dead.
- uDontKnowMe 5y agoThis was some comfort years ago, but these days, the vast majority of reddit users are mobile and new-reddit, whose UX's favor more meme/video mindless scrolling and throwaway comments. So while the old reddit experience is there in looks it feels more hollow nowadays. You go into a common interest subreddit and where 8 years ago you might have found interesting discussions now it's all memes, inspiration photos, etc.
- Seattle3503 5y agoAnd you find people talking about new features in a way that is totally foreign to you because old reddit doesn't support them. I don't know whats someone's profile says or what their profile picture is.
- Mediterraneo10 5y agoI am convinced even had Reddit kept the old design, it would still suck now, because any site focused on a universal demographic will inevitably get most people coming in on mobile, and mobile inherently discourages longform text and encourages images. I find that for various special-interest, hobbyist forums, you need some kind of friction to prevent low-effort posters from taking over, and ensure more people are participating from desktop/laptops. I have gone back some phpBB fora I have neglected after Reddit's ascent, and while there are fewer people around and they skew older, I am amazed at how substantial and competent discussions are compared to their subreddit counterparts.
- willis936 5y ago>mobile inherently discourages longform text and encourages images As I read on a site on with no images or video and entirely in the form of thoughtful responses via mobile device.
- pseudo0 5y agoTheir push for people to use the mobile app has gotten user-hostile to the point of ridiculousness. Some subreddits now just prompt you to either continue in the app or return to the homepage, there's no option to continue in the mobile browser.
- mkr-hn 5y agoI gave the app about 5 minutes before the harassment to enable notifications made me uninstall.
- acatton 5y agoI personally just gave up trying to access Reddit from my mobile browser. I used to have "Compact Reddit Redirect"[1] on my phone browser. But it got more and more broken in the last two years. Now, I use RedReader[2][3] on my phone which is open source and gives "an 'old' reddit feel". It is really sad to use an app to access a website :( . I need to accept that I'm not the target audience of that website anymore... [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/compact-reddit-redirect/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/compact-reddi... [2] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.quantumbadger.redreader/ [3] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbadger.redreader https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbad...
- acoard 5y agoI use Apollo on iOS, and recently discovered I can click the share button (at top right of new reddit design), and then select "Open with Apollo". Yes, it'd be nice if I could auto-open reddit links in my client of choice, but it's like a two-or-three tap thing. I use it increasingly often.
- dageshi 5y agoIt got too big. It's the internets default forum, it's actually a testament to the subreddit model that it actually has been able to keep growing without completely going to shit. I know there's people who think it has but there's still plenty of value in subreddits which have a defined purpose and moderate accordingly.
- JohnWhigham 5y agoThis is the curse of VC-funny-money-backed companies. Bribe them with a free hit or 5, and then start charging for it once you're hooked.