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> to not blanket demonize those who are unvaccinated. Well, I'm currently in quarantine from my 4 month old and wife because an acquaintance refused to get vac

> to not blanket demonize those who are unvaccinated. Well, I'm currently in quarantine from my 4 month old and wife because an acquaintance refused to get vaccinated. "young people don't die from COVID" type mentality. I attended my brother's bachelor party - of which we all thought everyone was vaccinated. Turns out this person, not only refused to get vaccinated - but had COVID exposure and still decided to attend. He told us the day after being in close contact for 3 days, that he tested positive and had symptoms during our contact with him. Of the unvaccinated people I know, this mentality is the large majority of them. They refuse to get vaccinated because they refuse to consider how their actions might actually impact someone else.

briefcomment 5y ago
I'm talking about those who have recovered when I say natural immunity, not all unvaccinated. Also, presumably, this person would now be as immune as someone who's gotten the vaccine, based on this study.
bobthechef 5y ago
> "young people don't die from COVID" type mentality. What mentality is this? It is well known that young people are at extremely low risk of dying, even more so than the average person. > He told us the day after being in close contact for 3 days, that he tested positive and had symptoms during our contact with him. The problem wasn't that your acquaintance refused the vaccine. The problem is that he didn't stay home. You could say the same thing about the flu. If you have it, don't go to parties. Who goes to a party with a flu? A cold even? I hardly think this guy is representative. There's also evidence that asymptomatic people don't spread COVID. This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it, and if they do and they're like most people, they'll stay home which means no transmission. > Of the unvaccinated [sic] people I know, this mentality is the large majority of them. They refuse to get vaccinated because they refuse to consider how their actions might actually impact someone else. This seems unnecessarily hostile. Plenty of people don't want to be vaccinated either because they've had COVID and don't need it (this study isn't the first; Peter McCullough for example has spoken about other studies), they don't want to risk the potential side effects, including long term, of an experimental vaccine that is not technically approved by the FDA, ethical/religious reasons (the use of stem cell lines derived from aborted children during vaccine research, etc), and because the virus is not a serious threat to most people. It is disturbing how the media is lumping those wary of the COVID vaccine in with antivaxers (~2% of the population; 98% of Americans get all common immunizations), COVID deniers, or "grandma killers". Let's not do that, as the OP recommends.
- cstejerean 5y ago
  > There's also evidence that asymptomatic people don't spread COVID. This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it, and if they do and they're like most people, they'll stay home which means no transmission. We wouldn’t be in the middle of a pandemic if this were true.
  - ping_pong 5y ago
    There a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.
    - tomp 5y ago
      Parent poster actually meant presymptomatic. > This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it
  - rimliu 5y ago
    Why so? Or are you mixing up asymptomatic with presymptomatic, as many do? It is clear that latter do indeed play a big role in spreading infection, but the science is not so clear on the former. Likely that asymptomatic do not spread it.
  - jokethrowaway 5y ago
    It's been a pretty mild pandemic. What has been newsworthy about was the removal of freedom, not the number of dead people. It's flu-like transmission - which is mostly through droplets. If you're not sneezing in the face of people you don't have high chances of passing it around
    - galoisgirl 5y ago
      It's the 9th pandemic in human history in the number of deaths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Major_epidemics_and_pandemics_by_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Major_epidem...
heavyset_go 5y ago
> They refuse to get vaccinated because they refuse to consider how their actions might actually impact someone else. They've considered it, they just don't care. What they actually care more about is the insinuation that they should care at all.
ping_pong 5y ago
Why are you quarantined if you got vaccinated?
- f6v 5y ago
  Keep in mind that vaccine is not 100% effective.
  - ping_pong 5y ago
    The measles vaccine is less effective than the COVID vaccine, and for mumps is less than 90% effective. Are you going to quarantine yourself over those lowered percentages? Most vaccines are less effective than the COVID vaccine. To not trust vaccination is to not trust science.
    - f6v 5y ago
      Stating the facts is also science.
- SkyPuncher 5y ago
  Data indicates actual effectiveness as about 91.5%. However, that's across the population. Factors like extended contact period increase viral load intake, could further decrease the effectiveness. Since my 4 month old can't get vaccinated against COVID yet, we decided it wasn't worth taking the risk.
  - ping_pong 5y ago
    Infants almost have a 0% chance of encountering any issues with COVID. 8 out of 100,000 children need to be hospitalized. You're talking about a 0.08% chance of hospitalization and for infants it's actually even lower. Most vaccines have an efficacy lower than the COVID vaccines. Basically you are feeding off of your own fear, and you don't trust science. That's your right, but don't blame anyone for your self-imposed quarantine but yourself at this point.
nicioan 5y ago
100% this. It's not only about oneself. For young and healthy people, vaccination is primarily for helping and protecting others.
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briefcomment 5y ago

I'm talking about those who have recovered when I say natural immunity, not all unvaccinated. Also, presumably, this person would now be as immune as someone who's gotten the vaccine, based on this study.

bobthechef 5y ago

> "young people don't die from COVID" type mentality. What mentality is this? It is well known that young people are at extremely low risk of dying, even more so than the average person. > He told us the day after being in close contact for 3 days, that he tested positive and had symptoms during our contact with him. The problem wasn't that your acquaintance refused the vaccine. The problem is that he didn't stay home. You could say the same thing about the flu. If you have it, don't go to parties. Who goes to a party with a flu? A cold even? I hardly think this guy is representative. There's also evidence that asymptomatic people don't spread COVID. This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it, and if they do and they're like most people, they'll stay home which means no transmission. > Of the unvaccinated [sic] people I know, this mentality is the large majority of them. They refuse to get vaccinated because they refuse to consider how their actions might actually impact someone else. This seems unnecessarily hostile. Plenty of people don't want to be vaccinated either because they've had COVID and don't need it (this study isn't the first; Peter McCullough for example has spoken about other studies), they don't want to risk the potential side effects, including long term, of an experimental vaccine that is not technically approved by the FDA, ethical/religious reasons (the use of stem cell lines derived from aborted children during vaccine research, etc), and because the virus is not a serious threat to most people. It is disturbing how the media is lumping those wary of the COVID vaccine in with antivaxers (~2% of the population; 98% of Americans get all common immunizations), COVID deniers, or "grandma killers". Let's not do that, as the OP recommends.

cstejerean 5y ago
> There's also evidence that asymptomatic people don't spread COVID. This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it, and if they do and they're like most people, they'll stay home which means no transmission. We wouldn’t be in the middle of a pandemic if this were true.
- ping_pong 5y ago
  There a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.
  - tomp 5y ago
    Parent poster actually meant presymptomatic. > This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it
- rimliu 5y ago
  Why so? Or are you mixing up asymptomatic with presymptomatic, as many do? It is clear that latter do indeed play a big role in spreading infection, but the science is not so clear on the former. Likely that asymptomatic do not spread it.
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  It's been a pretty mild pandemic. What has been newsworthy about was the removal of freedom, not the number of dead people. It's flu-like transmission - which is mostly through droplets. If you're not sneezing in the face of people you don't have high chances of passing it around
  - galoisgirl 5y ago
    It's the 9th pandemic in human history in the number of deaths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Major_epidemics_and_pandemics_by_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Major_epidem...

heavyset_go 5y ago

> They refuse to get vaccinated because they refuse to consider how their actions might actually impact someone else. They've considered it, they just don't care. What they actually care more about is the insinuation that they should care at all.

ping_pong 5y ago

Why are you quarantined if you got vaccinated?

f6v 5y ago
Keep in mind that vaccine is not 100% effective.
- ping_pong 5y ago
  The measles vaccine is less effective than the COVID vaccine, and for mumps is less than 90% effective. Are you going to quarantine yourself over those lowered percentages? Most vaccines are less effective than the COVID vaccine. To not trust vaccination is to not trust science.
  - f6v 5y ago
    Stating the facts is also science.
SkyPuncher 5y ago
Data indicates actual effectiveness as about 91.5%. However, that's across the population. Factors like extended contact period increase viral load intake, could further decrease the effectiveness. Since my 4 month old can't get vaccinated against COVID yet, we decided it wasn't worth taking the risk.
- ping_pong 5y ago
  Infants almost have a 0% chance of encountering any issues with COVID. 8 out of 100,000 children need to be hospitalized. You're talking about a 0.08% chance of hospitalization and for infants it's actually even lower. Most vaccines have an efficacy lower than the COVID vaccines. Basically you are feeding off of your own fear, and you don't trust science. That's your right, but don't blame anyone for your self-imposed quarantine but yourself at this point.

nicioan 5y ago

100% this. It's not only about oneself. For young and healthy people, vaccination is primarily for helping and protecting others.

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